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In Elftown, everyone can do something to help or contribute to the community. You can create wiki-pages that explain how to draw dragons, or pages for meeting like-minded people. Everyone can report members that don't follow the uploading art rules or who just aren't behaving. Check out Elftown - Contribution and Contribute for all the various ways in which you can help our community.

But some people want - and have the time - to help in bigger ways; by maintaining official Competitions, or running projects like the ECM, or even helping with some of the features on Main Street. Of course, if we spot people like that ourselves then we're happy to let them join our ranks without them having to apply. But there are only a few of us, and many of us are busy doing all the fore-mentioned things! So if you have the time, and really want to help out, then this page is here to help you get our attention, and to help us find the people who are prepared to dedicate lots of their time to running Elftown without any reward!


Here is your chance to get the power, badges and all other fancy stuff that really shouldn't be the reason for applying to the crew!

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What you need to do


1) You need a good general knowledge of Elftown. If you can't handle almost everything about forums, polls, wiki-pages and don't know the Elftown rules very well, then don't apply yet.
- If you don't know at least most of the pseudo HTML, don't apply.
- If you don't know how to use the forums, don't apply.
- If you're not planning on using the forums, don't apply.
- If you're not sure of the rules, don't apply.

2) You need to be able to read and write English well.
- Dun typ lyke dis
- We don't require perfect English, but you have to at least be able to use legible English that others can easily understand.

3) Your goals for Elftown should agree with Elftown's. If you want to go berserk on everyone who looks ugly, then don't apply!
- Crew members have to be at least somewhat nice and professional.
- Crew members need to be able to keep a cool control over their emotions during discussions.
- Crew members should be able to make unbiased decisions without putting their friends' first in situations.

4) You should have proven yourself. As written above, you don't need any permission to do most stuff here on Elftown. Even if you only have created the Big Boobs Dragon Competition, are running the forum "Medieval fencing" that no one uses and have written a subpar report, it's better than someone who just says they can do all this, but never has.
- Write in forums! Use them, if only to comment on Main Street news and say hello.
- Enter contests, official or non-official.
- Be nice and helpful to other members; answer questions they may ask on wiki-pages.
- Create wiki-pages, show that you know how to use the site's HTML.

5) You should explain what you will do as a member of the crew and for how long. Note: We don't want newbies that get all excited by Elftown for a month and then will get tired of it. Therefore, people who have been for a long time, are generally better.
- We want to know what you can bring to the Elftown Crew that we don't have currently.
- We want to know what you're good at, your talents, and what you think you'd be best at.
- We want to know what official jobs you think we should give you.
- Do NOT try to apply to be one of the following: Guards, Wiki Bosses, Mayor, ViceMayor or Magicians!
  - We appreciate your enthusiasm and desire to help out, but the above positions are only held by members who are already on the Crew and have earned a considerable amount of trust in addition to their trained experience.


6) You should be able to get along with the sullen assholes in the crew, and have a great patience with people.
- The Council doesn't really like suck ups.
- No one likes assholes, narcissists or intolerable people.
- This doesn't mean you have to be friends with or even like everyone, just be able to get along regardless.
- Patience is a virtue that you must possess.



7) You should think this is fun!

8) If you can come up with an eighth point, it shows that you have ideas. We like ideas! If you can be someone with ideas and who will carry them out then you're set.
- Ideas are good!
- However, people who can take an idea and put it on a page are even better.

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Deadline


There is no deadline! This goes on forever and good applications get picked at any time. If you aren't chosen, that can be because we're not so sure about you or that we just don't need more help right now. However, we can change our minds if you help us (see Sorting, below).

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Sorting and tips


Your application will be put in one of the three sections: high, medium or low.

Low means your application and/or membership needs a lot of improvement before we can consider you.
What to do: Try to fulfill the requirements listed above, correct your spelling and make sure you are following the Uploading Art Rules.

Medium means your application is OK in the basics, but there could be things you can improve.
What to do: Think of making your application more interesting, contributing to the community, participating in the forums or reporting UAR-violators. Members with a note have a shot at 'high' if they follow what the note says.

High is the short-list from which we pick new crew members. This is a slow process because crew newbies need someone to mentor them and something to do (otherwise they might get confused or bored and leave).
What to do: Look around for places and projects that need more crew love, or think of new things the crew should take care of (and why). Hang out in the Elftown, {something} forums (Newbie Questions, Suggestions etc.). Volunteer to help wherever you can be helpful. And, of course, don't be shy to update and improve your application page - but leave a note on this page if you do, so we can re-evaluate your application! :)

General guidelines
Remember that the amount of text does not making something better. However showing proper (British) English, your interests and your work on Elftown does. Be clear and concise; try to stand out from the other applicants.

Be actives on the wiki, in forums or as a patroller. Show off your efforts in making Elftown better will help to make you stand out.

We will not explain what exactly is wrong with an application if it is missing something, if we have something to say then you'll hear from us. Also, please do not message Crew members asking for an opening in a position; you may however ask them what the work they do entails.


If your house is inactive for forty (40) days or more your application will be moved to inactive member applications.

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Joined


Examples of successful applications:

[Nioniel] - A Phoenix Rising for Council!
[Chel.] - Woohoo! Chel for Crew!
[Flisky] - Just wanna help
[Thunder Cid] - Thunder Cid for the Crew
[wicked fae mage] - wicked fae mage's resume
[Rice] - Keyser's Crew Application
[Lord Josmar] - Lord Josmar's Bid for Dominion
[Ravendust] - Raven's Crew Campaign
[Stephen] - Stephen for Council


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Sorted



High


Medium
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Low
[Lakayana] - amazing campaign
[kians mummy] - sammie h for crew -Big update: 2013-03-19


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How to apply?


Add the link to your campaign-wiki-page at the bottom of the page!

Example: [Hedda] - hedda for mayor


[The Black Goat] - Nox for Crew and Council
[Sagacious Turkey] - That Turkey Guy for Retired Crew


Username (or number or email):

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2005-09-04 [threelade]: A plug in The Town Herald? Do they take advertisments or we might make a tour and put it up in Guided Tours

2005-09-04 [Jeed]: i say we just advertise like crazy

2005-09-04 [threelade]: Now that we have talked it over here where it does not belong I guess the next step would be to go to ETA Suggestions Box or the BoG Forum with our ideas.

2005-09-04 [Jeed]: eta suggestions

2005-09-04 [someelf]: Actuely you know, I want to take myself out of this list & wait till I am fully ready,, Don't know, but this sounds like (Sorry;;) I don't know, a waiting list (What it is) I rather be discoverd and get a letter that I've been choosen to join The Crew. Ya know. *Nods* I take myself off the list, one less. I guess.. But thanks to give me a change anyways :)

2005-09-04 [threelade]: venture forth oh great teacher and inform the world of how we plan to bury ET in advertisments for the academy.

2005-09-04 [threelade]: shall we go? (motions toward the door)

2005-09-04 [someelf]: o.O' But I will remain watching here, the people here are quit fun ^_^ *Snugs them*

2005-09-04 [Jeed]: it could work

2005-09-04 [threelade]: Done, now to wait and see what THEY think about our ideas...

2005-09-04 [-tsukasa-]: [M_Sinner] Iwas suppose to shoot the one standing behind you. By shooting around you but the bullets didn't listen and went straight. Sorry, hope it is not your drawing arm ^.^

2005-09-04 [Sunrose]: This is not a chat page. Please stop using it as one: 53 other watchers get a notification each time someone writes a random comment, amongst them crewmembers who are very busy :)

2005-09-04 [Nite_Owl]: Quite sorry, Sunrose; we'll stop immediately--won't we everyone? *glares around the room as she leaves*

2005-09-04 [Morrigon]: um, I hope this isn't too random I was just excited and wanted to share it, I get to be an Elfwood Moderator!!!

2005-09-04 [threelade]: Sorry, so sorry. I knew it was wrong and did it anyhow. (bad Terry, bad girl)

2005-09-05 [M_Sinner]: Good. So if no one has any more comments about how he wants assassains on the crew, we're all agreed to stop being... erm... chatty.

2005-09-05 [Black_Dragon_123]: I do! I have more comments about how I want assassins on the crew! 'Cuz that would kick ass!.

2005-09-05 [spiritee]: I gave in to the temptation! yay XD

2005-09-05 [-tsukasa-]: I'm terrebly sorry sunrose ^.^ *starts looking for the next official elftown page*

2005-09-05 [Sunrose]: Thanks for all the apologies, but it's enough now :)

2005-09-08 [spiritee]: so why did [vectra] decide to remove half the page...?

2005-09-08 [Patri]: I think [vectra] deleted those applications that were a fake like people promoting a wiki or themselves. Anyway, I'm not sure really the reason... O_o

2005-09-08 [spiritee]: no. that's definitely not true.

2005-09-08 [Patri]: then, I have no idea... I thought he/she was a boss or something but it seems he's not... weird things...

2005-09-08 [Patri]: Oops, I was about to do that you did: previous version.

2005-09-08 [~Vash~]: Oo...most of the crewmembers are 18+, aren't they? >.<

2005-09-08 [Sunrose]: At least 4 aren't: [True, plain and simple], [Janouk], [Erestor] and [Charybdis] (council). [Levoton] isn't either (chatboss). Maybe there are more, I don't know.. :)

2005-09-08 [~Vash~]: O__O Wow. A thirteen and fourteen year-old. XP Well that makes me feel a little more confident. =3

2005-09-08 [spiritee]: Responsible thirteen and fourteen year-olds, mind you xD.

2005-09-08 [~Vash~]: X3 True enough.

2005-09-08 [Patri]: I think the age doesn't matter at all.

2005-09-09 [~Vash~]: *Waits in a long line* X3 Grah...Chronological-ness.

2005-09-10 [spiritee]: ...that's not even an application <_<

2005-09-13 [Swollenfish]: I want to be an Elftown Guard if that's ok?

2005-09-13 [Zab]: You have to apply like the rest here. :)

2005-09-13 [~Vash~]: Oo....how is mine not an application, spiritee?

2005-09-13 [Calico Tiger]: I believe she was referring to blackhawkdown, Vash :)

2005-09-13 [~Vash~]: XP I was going to say...it damn well better be considered an application. X3 I spent forever on it. *Huggles app* ^-^ And it makes me feel all warm and lovely inside to gloat in my own achievements. XD

2005-09-13 [spiritee]: i removed it, hope no one minds.

2005-09-14 [~Vash~]: *Shrug*

2005-09-21 [Lakayana]: whats happening? has the selection ended?

2005-09-21 [Zab]: It will never end, they'll pick when they need new.

2005-09-21 [madcool]: Why don't you let me be?

2005-09-21 [Zab]: ''But: We will not answer questions about what's wrong with you or anything like that! '' quoted from above, read on the page, :) *not that I've been chosed either*

2005-09-21 [Konobi]: I made my request. Here goes. ^^;

2005-10-02 [stephanie1988]: i have made my request so here goes

2005-10-02 [sophomoric]: I have removed my application.

2005-10-03 [nehirwen]: why?

2005-10-03 [sophomoric]: I'm not going to be on elftown a great deal anymore, seems kind of pointless to apply for a position of authority in a place that you're not expecting to be a major contributor to.

2005-10-03 [nehirwen]: hm..yes it would be pointless

2005-10-03 [sophomoric]: Anyway, I mentioned it solely so no one would bother wondering why it had been changed if they did.

2005-10-04 [nehirwen]: how thoughtfull of you =)

2005-10-18 [Aidan Ryuko]: aren't there going to be denied applications? :/ this page is already getting really big

2005-10-18 [Zab]: If you mean the red note above the edit-form: It is shown very early and not much to care about, really. :) At least not yet.

2005-10-18 [death is callinand i say come on]: i want to be a guard

2005-10-18 [bluefairy27]: Me too; I want to yell at people for breaking the rules.

2005-10-18 [Morrigon]: I don't like yelling at people. But I like Elftown ^.^

2005-10-19 [bluefairy27]: Lol, I like both.

2005-10-19 [nehirwen]: yeah I really like to be a guard too, to improve the elftown I love ^^

2005-10-19 [Leara]: If you guys really wanted to improve Elftown, you wouldn't all just be saying you wanted to be a guard, though very few of you have ever sent a report.

2005-10-19 [Paz]: I have sent quite a few although they have all been art theft reports. I just want to catch all the art theives who seem to think it's funny to steal art or claim that others is their own. So when all else fails, I send a report

2005-10-19 [Leara]: And members should also follow the rules themselves. As I see something against the UAR...

2005-10-19 [Nite_Owl]: i've sent quite a few reports... i don't know how many exactly but...a few :P

2005-10-19 [Morrigon]: I follow the rules myself, it's not that hard. hmm, but I'll hold my temper. sometime I've noticed certain people get way too uptight. yes people break rules and some people act like idiots but there are some people who treat others like idiots too. and I'm against that.

2005-10-19 [Morrigon]: hah, I'm sure I've broken rules. I am almost definate I did when I was first here. But I got used to the rules and now they're simple so I'm happy.

2005-10-19 [Morrigon]: So what's this I hear about yet another sort of "related to Elftown" website. Spiraled off of Elfpack...What's it called, FAKE

2005-10-19 [Sagacious Turkey]: ...In truth, I've been here over a year and I've yet to read the 'UAR'...

2005-10-19 [Morrigon]: you should get on that. might help hah. at first I was mad they put restrictions on how many images you can have in your house, then I cleaned out my house, then I realized it looked so much better. Damn the guards for always being right... heheh

2005-10-19 [Sagacious Turkey]: ...but restricting the image description to only four lines was stupid... I had to put some images in my description, which just messed it all up... you bastards! *shakes fist at random guards*

2005-10-19 [Morrigon]: well some people have way too much stuff everywhere in their houses. it gets crowded and it's hard to concentrate on actually reading the stuff. Plus it gets dreary when there are song lyrics everywhere.

2005-10-19 [Leara]: ....thats not a smart move. I wouldn't have had it limited at four if it was me, only because I can write parageaph descriptions for images. >.>

2005-10-19 [Morrigon]: I should work in an Elftown Complaint department. so people stop bitching at the guards.

2005-10-19 [Sagacious Turkey]: Well... it's not so much the guards as it is [Hedda]... but you can't go around cursing him... which leaves the guards in which to blame all of life's problems! ...stupid guards... gave me four STDs...

2005-10-19 [Morrigon]: heh

2005-10-19 [Leara]: O.O You got those from your neighbors dog, not the guards. ;)

2005-10-19 [Sagacious Turkey]: Ah HA! ...I have no neighbors! ...and the people closest to me don't have a dog! ...it must have been [Mortified Penguin]'s mom...

2005-10-19 [Morrigon]: hahahahahaha mean

2005-10-19 [Sunrose]: This is not a chat page. Please stop using it as one: 65 other watchers get a notification each time someone writes a random comment, amongst them crewmembers who are very busy :)

2005-10-19 [Dil*]: I 2nd that.

2005-10-20 [Jeed]: yes, right as ever sunrose, hey atleast it wasnt me this time :p

2005-10-20 [Konobi]: Hey the daily poem bosses are looking for members now! Oh, I hope they look at my application...

2005-10-20 [Nite_Owl]: yeah i'm hoping to become a DP Boss....I dunno if it'll actually happen but, I shall hope beyond hope (^,~)

2005-10-23 [Dreamseller]: Hello. I would like to ask if my wiki has passed?

2005-10-23 [Jeed]: they would contact you if it did

2005-10-23 [~lil~]: i would like to be a guard because i think it would be a worhwhile but an enjoying exprience. I can read and write English very well. I an see things from other people's points of view and can deal with situations in a calm and professional manner.

2005-10-23 [Zab]: Write an application, then. :)

2005-10-24 [Dreamseller]: Well, someone did write me. :) But the only told asked me if i knew my wiki was here.

2005-10-25 [SpiralDragon]: O.o huh.. you don't know were it is? << >>

2005-10-26 [Dreamseller]: Yes, but he was here to remind me.

2005-10-27 [SpiralDragon]: Ohh... :)

2005-10-27 [Dreamseller]: So it doesn't mean i'm in then?

2005-10-27 [Nite_Owl]: hmm, sorry, bu ti don't think so...they would send you a mesage telling you what possition you're taking on now and post your username at the top of the page--plus add the appropriate badge. If you have any of those, then you made it :)

2005-10-27 [Dreamseller]: : I'm not a cheater!!!

2005-10-27 [Nite_Owl]: whoose calling you one? certainly not I; how rude! *hmph* ;D

2005-10-27 [Dreamseller]: :p So, guys, what's up?

2005-10-27 [ArchangelGabriel]: No one said you were a cheater.

2005-10-27 [That Fuzz]: Uh, nobody said you were. o.O         Should we remove theman for elftown crew? It's just an advertisement. D:

2005-10-27 [Dreamseller]: Yes. haha. But why didn't mine pass?

2005-10-27 [ArchangelGabriel]: because only a few have.

2005-10-27 [Dreamseller]: Oh. But....i took so much time.....

2005-10-27 [That Fuzz]: I can't even find yours. *looks*

2005-10-27 [Nite_Owl]: well if you didn't notice, a lot of peoples' application didn't make it. The Council has their reasons. Don't don't worry--if you're on this page, they'll look here first for people if they need them. I still hoping for DP Boss (^,^)

2005-10-27 [ArchangelGabriel]: Which is your entry?

2005-10-27 [Dreamseller]: It's blackhawkdown. :)

2005-10-27 [That Fuzz]: I hate people on this page with underlines or little advertisements next to theirs. Equal oppertunities, bitches. xD

2005-10-27 [That Fuzz]: WTF. That's not even an application.

2005-10-27 [ArchangelGabriel]: But blackhawlkdown is an rpg, not an application...

2005-10-27 [Dreamseller]: OH!!!! Now i get it!!!! OK!!!! lol. I though i only had to list my wiki!!! haha

2005-10-27 [That Fuzz]: Yeah, uh, and it doesn't even look like you put that much time into it. So, in conclusion, kindly stfu, sir, because you... are a retard.

2005-10-27 [ArchangelGabriel]: That wa s bit crule Fuzz, though more than a little true.

2005-10-27 [Dreamseller]: Son of a bitch.

2005-10-27 [ArchangelGabriel]: You have to admitt, it's not a very asthetic wiki...

2005-10-27 [Dreamseller]: Well sorry guys. I tried. *cries* Give me a break i'm 12 for christ sake.

2005-10-27 [ArchangelGabriel]: Maybe the council isn't for you then....

2005-10-27 [Dreamseller]: Well, there are no rules against it. :)

2005-10-27 [Nite_Owl]: hmm i hate to say it, person, but i beleive Lobsang's right--for one, you're only 12 which they might take to be too young for Council material, plus the wiki you provided is a bit sub-par. No offense, I wouldn't mind if I was to join it, but the Council takes in everything, from substance to presentation, and your's may not meet those to their fullest.

2005-10-27 [shotokan_gal]: I believe (though someone may correct me) that blackhawkdown was originally removed for not being an application, yet it seems to have been replaced higher up in the list than it originally was. [Dreamseller] I wouldn't say that was the best way for you to get on the crew at all. As well as a good way to get your application (if it actually was an application) looked over by not adding it at the end.

2005-10-28 [Dreamseller]: Well, i thought that you had to put your wiki there. STOP BEING MEAN! *cries* @_@ Just don't be mean..... *sniff*

2005-10-28 [shotokan_gal]: I'm not being mean, I pointed out what happened. If you'd actually read the wiki you'd know what to do. And it doesn't particularly help your application that you didn't read the actual page. However, now you do know how to apply (presumably), you can still write an actual application if you like, and add it to the end of the list.

2005-10-28 [Dreamseller]: Oh. :D Thanks for giving me a second chance!!!!

2005-10-28 [shotokan_gal]: It's not my responsibility to do that, but everyone's free to make an application if they like ;) Anything not an application gets removed, that's all. You can, however, put a link to your wiki in your application as evidence that you can make wikis. Oh and regarding the note under your picture, if it's random (as in, not made by you or taken by you) it is against the uploading art rules (which you might want to brush up on).

2005-10-28 [Dreamseller]: It's made by me. And thanks for telling me.

2005-10-28 [shotokan_gal]: Right, well you're description asked whether it was considered stolen, so just checking.

2005-10-28 [Dreamseller]: Oh, it's ok. :)

2005-10-29 [That Fuzz]: Yeah, following directions is the most important part of getting anywhere. Like, if you're applying for a scholarship, and are asked to write and essay, and you write a poem, it's just gonna be thrown out.

2005-10-30 [Dreamseller]: :| Ok. :)

2005-11-01 [That Fuzz]: Woooow... [Mikhul, the Bard] has some anger issues. Check out my comment in his wiki. He blocked me, reported me to the guards, and tried to flame me. D:

2005-11-01 [Morrigon]: sometimes things even though you find them to be amusing hurt other people because they believe in what they're doing and you're making jokes about it.

2005-11-01 [That Fuzz]: Good point. Wish I could tell him I was sorry, though. He blocked me. D:

2005-11-01 [Morrigon]: ah well, he'll get over it, I suppose part of joining the crew is not letting people get under your skin

2005-11-01 [shotokan_gal]: If you're not trying to argue, then please drop the issue [Mikhul, the Bard].

2005-11-01 [Mikhul, the Bard]: No worries, [shotokan_gal] I was just expressing my side, and now that I have I can drop the issue. I was just making sure that everyone didnt think I was an over-sensative maniac.

2005-11-01 [synergtggtrrgf]: What, arguing on a wiki designated to apply for crew members??? That is sad everyone that is sad...

2005-11-01 [Mikhul, the Bard]: I wasnt arguing, Korlique [synergtggtrrgf] I've actually deleted my comments, because Although not defamatory, were not appropriate for a wiki about joining the crew. Its all over, so we can all smile and move on. I've apologized to [That Fuzz] for over-reacting, and I already know that he tried to apologize to be, but was no able to, which is good enough for me. I would like to formally apologize to any and all who got totally pissed off, at having to read my previous comments, which, though not insulting, were not related to the crew wiki.

2005-11-01 [Sunrose]: To [Nite_Owl]: you do realise [Levoton] is 13 and in the Council? Age has nothing to do with whether or not you can get chosen as Councilmember :)

2005-11-01 [Aidan Ryuko]: does it matter wether you are liked by all the crew members or not.. is it a system of being capable of crew member or being liked so you get chosen

2005-11-01 [Sunrose]: Members are chosen because they are capable or have earned their spot somehow. If I'd pick people I like, all my friends would be in the council :)

2005-11-01 [Aidan Ryuko]: but how do you define capability, it's not just a piece of text, right? I'm sorry if I'm taking a serious discussion to a comment box, but for example, what does patri have that makes her so capable and what are turn downs (like not even bothering reading the guide lines on this page and just writing 5 rules, that is a turn down)

2005-11-01 [Patri]: [Aidan Ryuko] why do you only talk about me? why not someone else? I'm sorry Frits, but it looks like it bothered you... What a pitty...

2005-11-01 [Aidan Ryuko]: no offcourse not patri but I use your name since you're a friend and you're the last chosen so I wonder about the searched qualities, don't dare taking me negative because you know me better

2005-11-01 [Sunrose]: It is hard to really pinpoint, it is a vibe you get from someone. Whether you feel someone is trustworthy and active, can use proper English, is able to think logically, has about the same ideas about Elftown. I won't claim it is not easier if you already know Councilmembers. However it is not true you can't become Council if you don't know any Councilmembers. We have put people into the Council that were fairly unknown. And any Councilmember can suggest a new one, it will then be discussed. Of course it is easier to judge for the others, if they have seen you do work or seen you talk somewhere...to have an idea of what you are like.

2005-11-01 [Aidan Ryuko]: thank you..;) the vibe and feeling if someone is trustworthy is what I was looking for

2005-11-01 [Sunrose]: Of course if everyone dislikes you, it would be impossible to work with you and chances are you won't get added then. We are a group of people and any new addition has to fit in that group to make it work. But it doesn't mean everyone has to like each other. People have to be able to work together though, whether liking or not liking each other.

2005-11-01 [Aidan Ryuko]: yes I understand, lady shanra and I did the early translating in the past and if it comes to opinions we are totally.. fire and water;) but if it comes to professional things or talks that doesnt include too much opinion stuff.. hmm.. I could offcourse always bribe all of you with free ice cream, anyway.. have a nice evening:)

2005-11-01 [Sunrose]: LOL Lady Shanra is very precise when it comes to language and is very strong about her opinions :p // Hmm ice cream! :D lol, you too :)

2005-11-01 [shadow#1]: How do some of you guys know how many supporters you have and oh yeah i don't think that it goes by supporters anyways Just curious

2005-11-01 [Nite_Owl]: nah it doesn't but it's fun anyways (^,^) heh And I know that age really doesn't matter all that much, but it still depends...I dunno, nevermind, forget it -_-' *sigh* I don't think my app will actually amount to anything; I'm not all that creative so I never made any of my own wiki pages except for my poetry page, unlike all those RPers and such....plus I haven't really done all that much to help the crew--I wish I could but I wou;dn't know where to start...

2005-11-01 [Charybdis]: If you're looking for places to contribute... ;)

2005-11-02 [Dark Necromancer]: it looks very nice.

2005-11-22 [synergtggtrrgf]: why do people update? I mean 'I'm great make me a memeber of the crew' (Updated) "I'm really Great make me a member of the crew?" I mean you have a countless amount of people tooting their own horn and then update it make themselves sound even more concited (sp?)

2005-11-22 [Morrigon]: there are more things to add. Like updating your resume

2005-11-22 [Charybdis]: Yes. If you get involved in something in the meantime, or if one of your wikis gets an award, or whatever, you're going to want to put that on your page :) Also, supporters will add their names. Things like that. (It's 'conceited', by the way ^^)

2005-11-23 [That Fuzz]: Well, yeah, I can see that, but why do they feel they hafta advertise it? Who cares when it's updated?             It's obviously because they want more attention for themselves. Bah. If I were whoever picks out who gets in, I'd automatically throw out resumes with comments next to them. xD

2005-11-23 [Patri]: When it says "updated" it's just to inform it: that it was updated!!! And anyway, what's wrong with advertising it?? It's allowed and it requires intelligence too. So it's ok to advertise it for me...

2005-11-23 [Morrigon]: Hey calm down. People update things because they should when they have new info or supporters, its good to have people so enthusiastic about Elftown. Why complain

2005-11-23 [Diiwica]: i would seriously have to agree with Medearain... it is a good thing...

2005-11-23 [Morrigon]: alright, well, I have a feeling this might eventually spawn random needless comments so... *shuts up*

2005-11-23 [That Fuzz]: I'm... calm? I'm not complaining,          And, well, no. It requires more dignity and intelligence to not advertise then to do so. I therefore am better than you. :D

2005-11-23 [Patri]: So your conclusion is that not-advertising makes you better?? Strange and not very logical conclusion indeed...

2005-11-23 [That Fuzz]: Yes, it does, because I'm going to win without advertising, which will make me the better man in the end. Perfectly logical.

2005-11-23 [Diiwica]: you know acting like a jerk doesnt help you any

2005-11-23 [Patri]: As you wish [That Fuzz]...

2005-11-23 [DarkJenni]: hey, [Charybdis] Mine is updated! *winks*

2005-11-23 [That Fuzz]: Who's being a jerk? One insulting my conclusion by dismissing it as strange and illogical, or one quite simply not getting angry in the first place?

2005-11-23 [Morrigon]: This isn't an argument page, people have their own opinions, Leave it at that. If someone wants to update their Elftown resume, it's their's and the councils buinsess, not ours.

2005-11-23 [Patri]: Exactly [Morrigon], wise words :)

2005-11-23 [Nite_Owl]: Yes indeed (^,^)

2005-11-23 [Morrigon]: ^.^

2005-11-24 [That Fuzz]: 'Ey, I'm not even the person who brought it up. o.O      And because this page is open to everyone, it is my business. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be able to see it, now would I?

2005-11-24 [Paz]: Even though this page is open to everyone doesn't automatically make it your business, granted you didn't bring up the subject but the fact you supported it with further questions and 'logical' reasonings, caused attention to be directed at you. So [Morrigon] is just stating that this isn't some sort of debate page, it's a place for members who want to be apart of the crew to post their applications in the hopes they get noticed. Updating isn't against the rules, so everyone here has the right to state that they updated because they did, not always to draw attention. Take my update for example: It was out of date and had poor grammer so I re-vized it, then I just plainly stated that I..

2005-11-24 [Paz]: did, not in flashy letters or with pomp and flare, just stated as so. Eventhough this is a public wiki page, other peoples business isn't your business, so they may go along with it as they must. (Sorry about the rant but I've had enough of this -_-') There are thousands of public wikis here, do all of those contain your business?

2005-11-24 [Nite_Owl]: She's right. Just because you updated, doesn't mean that you're trying to get everyone's attention by it. It simply means you're stating that you did, in fact, update your application and are therefore alerting those who would be interested in it. If you don't say that you updated (as you and several others did) and happen to make it onto the Council or whatever position you're going for, it doesn't make you any better than the person before you who stated several times that they updated. However, it also doesn't make those who did better than you--this is therefore a completely pointless argument.

2005-11-24 [synergtggtrrgf]: THankyou [Charybdis] for correctling me. You're english is hard to remember

2005-11-24 [Leara]: "because I'm going to win without advertising" This isn't a contest. If your here to 'win' then you probaly shouldn't be wasting the council's time. So please drop the conversation, as Nite_Owl has already said, it's completely pointless. Leave the comment area open for members with relevant questions or updates corresponding to this wiki.

2005-11-24 [Charybdis]: Well said, Leara :)

2005-11-24 [Morrigon]: I'm gonna win!! *pants and falls over* nah kidding. Good to see people with sense ^.^ alright...NOW i'm shutting up.

2005-11-24 [Aidan Ryuko]: im gonna win too muhahaha!, just relax.. life is there to experience the best emotions out there, don't tangle yourself into social mind games:) if you dont become crew member there is plenty you can still do for the good of other people, if that is your real goal that is

2005-11-24 [Paz]: Also, just updating doesn't atomatically make you the best candidate... try helping out in the community and help out the newbies with their questions, it makes a lasting impression :)

2005-11-25 [synergtggtrrgf]: Purely human to think that becoming a crew member would mean you've won... That's great right there

2005-11-25 [Black_Dragon_123]: going back to [Paz]'s comment, that's right, 'cuz someday, those newbies just might be your BOSS.

2005-11-25 [Nite_Owl]: hahaha scary thought ;)

2005-11-25 [Black_Dragon_123]: 'tisn't it?

2005-11-25 [Diiwica]: not really

2005-11-25 [Black_Dragon_123]: YES IT IS!!!!!!!!!11

2005-11-25 [Diiwica]: how so... i mean just because they are new doesnt mean that hey arent goo and all. i mean i know alot of people that would be good for this sight with programing and enforcing rules...

2005-11-25 [Paz]: There are quite a few people here who haven't been on as long as me and they're crew members, even some of the mosted trusted in the guard team ;) So watch out, those newbies will end up ruling your every move

2005-11-25 [Sunrose]: :P

2005-11-25 [Aidan Ryuko]: ruling people can only enhance your comfort or discomfort but never control your thoughts, i hope elftown will keep that on the good side:)

2005-11-25 [Sunrose]: Could you get more to a concrete point? :p

2005-11-26 [Aidan Ryuko]: ruling-people, the people that rule you and your fellow mates, it's a vague expression i guess

2005-11-26 [Sunrose]: Ah okay, you mean the people in charge are not in charge of your mind? :)

2005-11-26 [Aidan Ryuko]: yes:) and that you should leave if they try to blackmail you into changing that, if the country or community or group has good leadership over it then no one will have to leave and much people will be happy and smile:) and the sad people will be helped easier:)

2005-11-26 [Sunrose]: Not quite true, some people will revolt against Elftowns rules until they get banned and that is then exactly what we will do: good leadership does not mean no one will have to leave. Actually if you are a good leader, here anyway, you'll make sure the bad apples get sent away. Just as criminals get sent to prison in reality. And prison means you are taken away from regular society..

2005-11-26 [Sunrose]: You can never make everybody happy no matter what rules you have. You can't say that criminal behaviour here is depending on our leadership. Unless you blame it on the fact what we defined as criminal behaviour. Then again any community that wants to have order has to have rules, and there will always be people who violate them either because they don't know of them or because they are against them. And if they do not follow our rules when pointed out to them, they will end up banned. After all, on the internet they have plenty other places to go to that have less rules. Which makes this different from reality many times :)

2005-11-26 [Aidan Ryuko]: yes that's true, my comments where pretty inconclusive hehe, but i still stick to the core of the point i was making:)

2005-11-28 [DarkJenni]: looks like someone made a little mistake.

2005-11-28 [Nuada]: is it me if it is I can fix it just tell me plz

2005-11-28 [DarkJenni]: just simply copy and paste it, then add it to the bottom...==8-)

2005-11-28 [Nuada]: thank you...*bows*

2005-11-28 [DarkJenni]: its no biggie...and thankyou.

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