My Parents Still Love Me

2008-07-09 [1a2]: This is the wiki I wish I had had to turn to and tell someone about my problems when they came into my life.

so now I made one.

2008-07-09 [odds]: (:

2008-07-09 [Pnelma Tirian]: hot diggity dang.

2008-07-09 [1a2]: was that sarcasm?

2008-07-09 [Pnelma Tirian]: nah. =)

2008-07-09 [1a2]: I'm glad.

2008-07-09 [Todd van elslande]: really nice wiki. love the tought behind it

2008-07-09 [Zacky Stardust]: This wiki is definitely a good thing. The gay community needs a place to tell their stories without being ridiculed.

2008-07-10 [Sith Kitten]: Thanks for the heads up about it.

2008-07-10 [PureEvilDemon]: Oh wow. I really like the idea going on here. Thanks for inviting me~

2008-07-13 [xido]: The best thing that anyone can do for themselves and the people around them is to never try to be someone that you are not, which means already knowing and accepting who it is that you ARE. Everyone else will either love you or hate you after that, and you just need to let them - no matter what! If people don't like the fact that you're different, don't let it get you down. Too many other things to think about and do.

Just move on, be happy, be yourself, and be free!
-will

2008-07-26 [der hardcore]: hey there to you

2008-07-26 [1a2]: eh?

2008-07-29 [Sigh No More]: So, I thought this would be the perfect place to put this... I currently have no phone and no computer. Why? Because my parents took them. Now why did they take them do you ask? Because I'm gay, and I'm in a relationship with the love of my life, that just happens to be a girl. Holly and I are finding ways around my parents, thankfully. And we're both waiting for the other...I'd die if I lost her. But yeah, so if I don't get online for awhile, it's because of my idiotic, self-centered, homophobic parents. So bye for now.

I LOVE YOU HOLLY ROSS!!!!!!!!!!

2008-07-30 [Zacky Stardust]: Wow, that's terrible. God. That's downright selfish of them!

2008-08-08 [1a2]: It's really terrible, and it's definitely taking a toll on our relationship. But she's worth it and she thinks that I am worth it, so it is all going to be okay.I have been buying us pre-paid mins so we can actually talk a little.

This is love.

2008-08-08 [Ramirez]: Good luck to you both.

2008-08-08 [1a2]: thanks. We need it I think.

2008-08-08 [Ramirez]: All you need is love.

2008-08-08 [1a2]: You are very correct.

We just got off the phone. ^^

The beatles are actually quite random.

2008-08-08 [Ramirez]: The Beatles? As in the band? -slightly confused-

2008-08-08 [1a2]: All you need is love. Reminded me of the song.

I just saw the strangest bug EVER crawling across my sister's floor. it was like a miniature cricket. 0_o

2008-08-08 [Ramirez]: Was it a bush cricket? =P

2008-08-08 [1a2]: I don't know. I tried to snap a picture of it but the little bugger wouldn't stay still!!

2008-08-08 [Ramirez]: Aw. Silly little thing.

2008-08-08 [1a2]: My sister made me promise not to be up all night.

I think I'm breaking my promise.

I had a dream last night that my mom found out I was gay and moved me back to Michigan. :P blah!!


There's the bug again!!!

2008-08-08 [Ramirez]: What an awful dream. D=

Maybe the little insect wants your attention? Maybe you should throw it out? =P

2008-08-08 [1a2]: want to see him? Try and figure out what he is?

2008-08-08 [Ramirez]: Sure.

2008-08-11 [Explicit Lyrics]: I had to join this group.. x3 Luckily my parents do still love me after coming out to them.

2008-08-12 [1a2]: That's a pretty big deal to someone that doesn't have it.

Don't take it for granted. I envy you.

2008-08-14 [Zab]: I'm happy to know my parents and friends would love me even if I were gay..tho I might lose my job. x)

2008-08-14 [1a2]: What's your job?

2008-08-14 [Zab]: Can't tell you :P I've signed one of those secrecy papers... But it's nothing fancy :)

2008-08-15 [1a2]: Oh. One of those secretive CIA deals.... Got it got it.

Ya know, it amazes me that you can SAY that you have a secretive job, but you could really just be a trash collector and no one on the internet would know the difference.

Having friends on the internet is an automatic trust, I think.

You just have to assume that all people are truth tellers.

2008-08-15 [Zacky Stardust]: I told some kids on a Pokemon website that I was a rock star, once. And they believed me. And someone seriously thought I was Zack Fair. Ummm, he's fictional. People can be pretty gullible, sometimes.

But that's true, you have to just kind of assume people are telling the truth, but learn when to pick out the lies. I've become pretty good at that.

2008-08-15 [1a2]: There's only one thing that anyone on elftown knows about me that's isn't true.

My eyes are green. Not kaleidoscope colored. :X

2008-08-15 [Zacky Stardust]: Though, kaleidoscope eyes would be pretty bitchin'.

2008-08-15 [1a2]: No joke. Jess(my fiance') and i get into arguments about what color my eyes really are. I put a close up picture of myself on my page.

Go look. She says they're hazel. I SWEAR they're green.

2008-08-15 [Zacky Stardust]: I'd say they're green. But I can see where she could get hazel, though. My dad has hazel eyes but sometimes they're green, sometimes they're grey, sometimes they're brown.

2008-08-15 [1a2]: I'd say they're green, too. I think she just wants to be cute. It totally works. :]

Now THAT'S what I call kaleidoscope eyes. xD

2008-08-15 [Zacky Stardust]: Well, that's good! Can't argue with that.

Yeah, my dad has strange eyes. But I think they're cool. Unfortunately I didn't inherit them, but instead the dark brown eyes almost everyone on my mother's side of the family has.

2008-08-15 [Zab]: [1a2]; xD No, nothing CIA or fancy, really.. there are lots of jobs where you sign those (I really don't know the english name.. ''tystnadsplikt'' in swedish.. xD Like therapists, doctors, vets... I can tell you what I am, but I don't want to because then I'd have to be very careful about everything else I say regarding my job..like my previous comment :P

2008-08-16 [1a2]: Lucky for you I don't speak Swedish. ;]

2008-08-16 [Zab]: Mohahaha! We will conquer the world withour Swedish! All 9 millions of us! >D
XD

2008-08-16 [PureEvilDemon]: Professional confidentiality. I know so little Swedish, and it bugs my dad's side of the family. Mostly Germanic-Sweeds. Hehe. I had to sign one of those too.
And lovely eyes, by the way~!

2008-08-16 [Balthizar]: xD
I think there is swedish in me. According to my Dad's Side of the family, well..the part of the family no one really talks too. We're relaited and all, they claim to be german and Swedish but uh...we think it's just German and they are all loopy in the membrane.

2008-08-16 [Zab]: hehe, you're infected with swediness...>D

I feel I've somehow left the topic of this wiki..>_>

2008-08-16 [Balthizar]: What ever would make you feel that Zab?

2008-08-17 [Zab]: The holyness of..doomsticks. >_>

2008-08-17 [Acidic Khemica]: O_o

2008-08-18 [Balthizar]: o_O

2008-08-18 [Acidic Khemica]: Exactly!

2008-08-18 [Zab]: yupyup

2008-08-19 [PureEvilDemon]: I totally read that as "the holyness of boomsticks".
XD
Ohhhh boy. I need sleep. Dx

2008-08-19 [Balthizar]: Nuu!
No go to sleep yet love. >>
Cause that means I have to go to bed.
<<. >>
Sides..we all know every devine being in the universe uses the holy doomsticks..xD

2008-08-19 [Zab]: The holy doomsticks are the divinity! :O

Aaawh..only one episode of Stargate left, that's fully downloaded.. :(

2008-08-20 [1a2]: Do you have any idea how happy I am that people talk on MY wiki?

It's exciting. :]

2008-08-20 [Acidic Khemica]: Haha yeah well from experience, it's a hit and then somehow it just....stops O_o

2008-08-20 [Zab]: It will never st...*dies*

2008-08-20 [Zab]: Bouhääääää buhääää *cries* I wanna see stargate now! But I need 4 more mb for the next episode and of course it won't download those.. :(

2008-08-20 [Zacky Stardust]: All of my wikis which were once so alive are now quiet and cobwebby D8

2008-08-20 [Zab]: *random* Aint he cute? :D

2008-08-20 [Zacky Stardust]: 8D It's so cute! Squee! >3<

2008-08-20 [Zab]: I got him yesterday ^____^
My other cat hates him and growls fiercly as soon as he's 3 metres away xD

2008-08-20 [Zacky Stardust]: Aww, that's how animals are...
My older dog was not amused when I got my puppy last year.

2008-08-20 [Zab]: At least you can tell dogs to sit and be quiet..xD Now these two are sitting in a chair each and glaring at each other..xD

And I'm off to sleep^^

2008-08-20 [Zacky Stardust]: Pfft, my doggies don't listen. The older one is almost deaf and the younger one is a brat. But I love them both. ^^

2008-08-21 [PureEvilDemon]: What...is the cute lil' kitty playing with...?
Cause...I totally thought that was a bra at first. >_>

2008-08-21 [Balthizar]: Kinda looks like a martial arts belt..or a straight jacket strap..

2008-08-21 [Zab]: x) It's just some leftover cloth after I sewed my dress/skirt:P

2008-09-01 [Zacky Stardust]: Haha, nice. XD Well it's a cute kitty either way.

2008-09-01 [1a2]: Any one checked out the "something hilarious" link yet?

2008-09-01 [Zacky Stardust]: xD True, true. I love how the questions the homosexual community normally gets were totally turned around.

2008-11-03 [Shadow Gypsey]: I checked it out...I'm thinking bout joining this site. lol

2008-11-04 [1a2]: You should. :]

2008-11-04 [Zacky Stardust]: Woah, no one had commented here in like forever. D: Damn.

2008-11-04 [Zab]: Ok, how about bringing some life into this site? Anyone up for a discussion or something?

In Sweden, we technically accept gay marriage. (this is a bit debate right now), but it's not allowed to be called marriage.
But all legal rights and everything such is the same. So, we have:
Church marriage (heterosexual)
''civil'' marriage: heterosexual
and ''partnership'' (homosexual)
All of them has the same legal status, the big diffrense is the name.

One solution that's up, and that I would agree to, is that the word marriage would only be used if you're married in the church.
So that ''civil marriage'' would be called something else, and would be the same for homosexuals as heterosexuals. Let's say we call it ''blubb'' just to give it a name :P

I believe that that way, people would eventually give ''blubb'' between two men or two women the same status (in peoples heads) as it would be between a man or a woman, and the same as church marriage. I don't think that will happen as long as gay marriage is called ''partnership' and heterosexual marriage still has ''marriage'' together...

I can see why christian people don't want homodsexuals to marry and call it marriage, marriage is an old word for the child-creating relation between a man and a woman,blessed by God. It's more religeous han anything else, actually. And, the Bible does make it clear that sex between two men or two women are wrong in the christian belief. You can't really argue about that.

(I'm not christian, and I couldn't care less what the bible say, but after reading it... I also can't understand why anyone so desperatly wants to be part of a religion that say that the person you are are wrong and evil and has to change.. I can see how someone would think 'I like that part, but that is just bullshit'', however.. then they shouldn't ask to be blessed in the name of that.. if anyone understands?)

Well what do you people think? :P

2008-11-04 [Shadow Gypsey]: I am American. Marriage is illegal here except for a few states which recognise it. As I am not from one of those, I am not sure what befits it entails. I dont think that for people here its about it being in a church or on a beach or where ever you choose to get married. Its about the word.

Why is my brother able to call the woman he loves his wife and I would have to call her my partner? Or that we would have had a commitment cerimony while they had a wedding. I think that people just want it to be normal, I guess. Not "Oh, you are brave to do this", but more like "Oh, you got married, how wonderful".

Marriage may have started out meaning that, but that isnt what it means anymore. At least not here. There are marriage cerimonies that dont even mention God.

I agree with you, It should be one word for all. I mean, it is the same promise in front of everyone you love and the same problems and highs and lows no matter if your spouse is a man or a woman. 

Thats what I think.

2008-11-04 [Pnelma Tirian]: Zab--what's wrong with wanting to overcome your flaws?

I don't see any reason why you can't call your spouse anything you damn well please. The law can state that thou shalt not call a tissue a Kleenex, but how likely is it going to enforce it in your home?

The difference between domestic partnership and marriage--the problem with it in the US is that it isn't a Federal issue. Which means that certain rights you have in California won't apply in Oregon, since each state has different laws about what a domestic partnership is. After a quick google search, here's a for and an against:

http://www.letcaliforniaring.org/site/c.ltJTJ6MQIuE/b.3348081/k.B080/Facts.htm

http://www.edgeblog.net/2008/whats-in-a-name/

I live in California and there's a huge hullaballoo about Prop 8, which is a grand total of a sentence long: only a marriage between a man and a woman is recognized in the state of California.

2008-11-04 [Zab]: Well, I simply meant since most gay people I know is quite happy with being gay and doesn't see it as a flaw. If you thought it was a flaw to be gay and wanted to correct it, why would you marry another person of the same sex?

And I was talking about a big debate in sweden, where there are no legal differenses between marriage and partnership, except for the name. Of course you can discss it how you want, but it would be interesting to see what you think about the suggestion I posted in my other comment. And that can only be done fairly if you think of partnership and marriage as something with the same rights.

2008-11-04 [Pnelma Tirian]: Well, if you see it as a flaw, then you wouldn't marry someone of the same sex. It would be kind of a non-issue. XD

At first it seems like having a new word for non-religious marriages would be good, but I can't help but feel like we'd end up with the same problem we have now. At this point in Sweden it's a matter of diction. The only reason to not have them interchangable is if they had different rights attached to them--as opposed to how it is now in Sweden, according to what you're saying.

Which brings me back to my other point--if they are interchangable in the eyes of the law, why shouldn't they be in the eyes of everyone else? Therefore, why CAN'T you say "my husband" or "my wife", no matter what the occasion? Sure, you could say "my domestic partner" in the interest of being politically correct, but it is this Elftowner's opinion that being politically correct is a miniscule issue.

2008-11-04 [Zab]: I think it would change peoples point of view tho, in time. If all non-religeous marriages had the same name, it wouldn't be any different with gay or non gay marriages..and then what the churches allow is up to them.

That's just because the church is stupid. >) Besides,either there'd be another word for that too, or husband and wife wuld be the same, or people would say it no matter what.

2008-11-05 [Shadow Gypsey]: The idea of another name is a interesting one. The only reason I would be hesitant to endorse it would be:

1.It might be considered a "fad" only to fade out in a couple of months.

2. You just can't add a new word and expect everyone to pick it up.

3. It would add credit to critics who are saying we are trying to destroy the santity of marriage. I mean, what else could they assume from someone saying "We arent married, we are ______." The first thing they would say is that we are trying to say that an institiution that has been around from the beginning of Christian civilization is equal to one we just "made up".

4. I genuinly dont think straight people would use it.

With all that being said, I wish it would work. Seriously, it would be a neat way to skirt the stranglehold bigots have on a "proper" marriage cerimony.

I have to agree with Pnelma, though. I think it would end up being a new word for what we already have.

2008-11-05 [Pnelma Tirian]: I really don't understand what you're saying. I'm sure it makes sense in context, but I'm not getting it, sorry.

2008-11-05 [Zab]: Shadow: 4. Straight people would have to use it, officially, just as much as gay people, unless they marry in church (and I think most people here doesn't). What you call it in private is up to you.

2008-11-05 [Shadow Gypsey]: Is it me you arent getting, Pnelma?

Zab, I just think that over here, the word marriage is so widely used that no matter what they called it officially wouldnt make a difference, you see? It would be the same as the words "Civil Cerimony" are if you get married at the courthouse.

Most people get married in a church here, at least where I live.

2008-11-06 [Pnelma Tirian]: No, I didn't understand Zab, but you're helping clear it up, I think.

I still don't understand who exactly is going to arrest you for calling your domestic partner your wife or your husband, or vice versa. If it's not a matter of rights, it's a matter of syntax, and then who the hell cares if you say wife or domestic partner, or black or African American(in the case of the States, of course), or white or caucasian?

2008-11-07 [Shadow Gypsey]: Arrest? Well no one is going to arrest you I guess...lol.

I promise you Zab, no one is trying to pick on you. *huggle*

2008-11-07 [Zab]: I'm not feeling picked on :P Not here at least xD

2008-11-07 [Shadow Gypsey]: Thats good, Id hate to put you out or anything *wink* lol

2008-11-07 [Zab]: awww you all hate mee! Now I'll go be a homophobe! :(!

2008-11-07 [Shadow Gypsey]: The last thing to world needs is more homophobes

2008-11-08 [Zab]: Aw, wouldn't it be nice tho? :D People glaring at you etc!

But I do understand that at some jobs people don't want gay people..
If I needed assistance for example, to wash and dress etc.. I wouldn't want a man, and I wouldn't want a lesbian to do it. It would feel uncomfortable, even tho of course neither men or lesbians are sex crazy rapists..

2008-11-08 [Shadow Gypsey]: Of course not, if there was a lesbian woman she should have to follow the rules of a straight man around straight or even gay women

the same goes for a gay man, yada yada

2009-05-11 [Panda-monium]: I think that's the most sexist thing I've ever heard in my life. Or at the very least the most gender ignorant.

2009-05-11 [Balthizar]: Your words makes sense Shadow Gypsey, though they seem kinda muddled at first glance.

And holy crap, I finally speak. Not sure if I have yet..*scratches brain*

2009-05-17 [Shadow Gypsey]: Lol. When I read it back through, my first thought was, "What in the world was I talking about?" I knew what I was trying to say, my wording was just strange. So I totally agree with the muddled part.

And Panda, I admit to not exactually being sure what you are talking about, dear, with the sexy and gender ignorant comment.

2009-06-28 [Mind Fucker]: Hordes of faces
Empty eyes
I see nothing new
Seasoned schemes of slimy curs
Offer up their flu
Am I beast or
Am I human
Am I just like you
Power seething
Really reeling
Reaching out for you

2010-09-11 [Silver Moon]: may I join?