2004-05-14 [Starna]: This page is bullshit, as is Metaphysics (or "a mode above physics"). This is the equivalent of saying "I can turn invisible when no one looks". There is no proof to what people attribute to metaphysics, and most of it has a rational explaination(please note I imply that this method of thinking is irrational). No one over 10 truly believes in magic, yet you people slap another name onto it and use it to "explain" mysterious things. "I didn't just happen to get better because I was through my illness, it was this crappy chunk of quartz crystal that's been sitting here forever and never helped me before that suddenly manifested its powers and healed me." To this I say you are deluded.

2004-06-29 [vlad]: I am pleasantly surprised. Glad to see that thinking is not dead after all :)

2004-06-29 [Khwaish]: hahahaha, it's not dead. Just a few people "think". Join us! :p

2004-06-29 [Goldenberry]: but are you able to not think at all?!

2004-07-17 [NICTE]: I want to be a student....I have a lot of questions???

2004-07-18 [Goldenberry]: Well then I think it is time to have a discussion at the Elfchat. I'll talk about with [Khwaish]. Or you can send them to me and I could answer them if I know the answer to them, else there is always the prof.

2004-07-30 [Goldenberry]: Well ehm since I don't have any challenge as a teacher I quit the job. Farewell.

2004-09-06 [hive]: sometimes i wonder is the world eventually going to end up like Dune?

2004-09-12 [Sunrose]: Teachers please visit ETA Departmental Staff and check up your status! The professor is asked to keep in check of own teachers, so make sure they also report to you: if they don't you have the power yourself to fire your teachers, change their status and hire replacement ([font] can't do everything, so please help him out!) ^^

2004-09-18 [Urecht]: where do i sign up for this class

2004-09-19 [Sunrose]: You can add your name to the students..

2004-09-19 [Urecht]: thanks

2004-10-01 [Katie Staines]: Ok… I dont know if this is where I should ask or not, but I am getting kind of desperate. Well I wanted to know if anyone has any information concerning dreams being, well… physical. Because lately, in the state between asleep and awake, I have seen really scary things, and they have let… physical marks, bruises red prints, ect. 

2004-10-01 [Sunrose]: I don't know if anyone here is specialised in those, what are they called again? Those physical marks?

2004-10-01 [DancingElf]: Dont worry bout it at the mo, its just your body responding to your brain, it usually happens bout 2 times a year, but most people dont have marks left behind, it should stop shortly

2004-11-17 [Dinaer]: actually i get those marks all the time...and i've no intention to let it stop, let alone make it stop...i've learned a lot in that so call "state between asleep and awake".

2004-11-17 [Dinaer]: *called

2004-11-18 [Katie Staines]: really? Why not make it stop... or at least try to lessen the effects...

2004-11-18 [DancingElf]: well there are the few odd people who get marks all the time,it just means that your brain is more responsive than others

2004-11-18 [Dinaer]: the reason i don't want to make it stop is because the marks are only what you might call a side-effect. the things i get out of it, the things i learn, are worth a few marks every now and then.

2004-11-18 [Katie Staines]: like what things? What do you learn? Were you ever afraid? How did you get over that fear.

2004-11-18 [Dinaer]: i'm not sure if i should be telling anyone what i learn. some things aren't to be known by everyone...but the most innocent things i learn are enhanced energy channeling, empathy, foresight, healing of the mind and body, etc...afraid? not really...though there were times when i should've been. most people would be when you've got a being of pure darkness standing in front of you in an illuminated room. (and yes, that really happened. believe it or not, i don't care. i know it happened.) there's just not much that scares me, luckily. otherwise, i wouldn't be doing this, now would i? ;-)

2004-11-19 [Katie Staines]: brave... the being of darkness... What did it look like??!!

2004-11-19 [Dinaer]: well, not much to say about it really. it had an outline of darkness, and basically what you'd get if you dressed someone in pitch black, very tight cloth. and i just scared it away by filling me up with as much energy as i could hold. it left when it saw that. i'm something of an energy magnet, you see, and though i'm still practicing, i can hold quite a bit of the stuff :)

2004-11-19 [Katie Staines]: what do you mean by holding energy? how did you summon that? Why did you scare it away... erm, sorry If I have too many questions.

2004-11-19 [Dinaer]: you're supposed to have a shitload of questions about this ;-) energy you've felt before, but you never notice it cuz usually people only have it in small amounts,enough to get them through a day's work, for example. with practice, one can draw energy from his environment, like people and the elements. the more you practice this, the more you can hold. it's like a balloon that's being stretched just a bit further every time it's filled, so it can hold just a bit more every time. and it's kinda difficult to explain how to summon it...i was born as the energy magnet that i am, so to me, it's practically second nature...and i scared it away cuz i don't like people/things looking at me. ^^

2004-11-19 [Dinaer]: besides, i doubt it had any good intentions :P

2004-12-02 [Sunrose]: Attention Elftown Academy Professors and Teachers! All departments have now received an official banner. Departments not following the Uploading Art Rules by friday will have the banner removed again! The banners are NOT to be used on classrooms!!

2004-12-23 [Moonknight]: whoa, how do I join this? I jkeep forgetting

2004-12-24 [Dinaer]: add your name to the "students" section and start watching this wiki. that's what i usually do, and it works nicely

2004-12-29 [Khwaish]: did anyone have any weird feelings during the tsunamis in SE Asia incident? I got really sick and begun getting strange dreams..

2004-12-29 [stevenp]: yes, it was weird, i told my dad that something was happening, and he was like what are you talking about, i was like, i dont know but its like i feel that "scared stomach feeling" he laughed but i knew for some reason

2004-12-30 [TheRogue]: The subconcious mind is observant of a ton of things that your physical eye cannot see, or your body cannot feel. It spends waking and unconcious time gathering information and sort of drawing conclusive evidence. People have sensory reactions to many things and don't even know about them.. Most of us never notice them.

2004-12-30 [Sunrose]: [stevenp]: ask [TheRogue] if you can help him :)

2004-12-30 [TheRogue]: most people have the potential to 'sense' things.. most people just write it off as nothing.. it's when you pay attention to signs your body and surroundings are telling you where you differ from the rest of the population

2004-12-30 [TheRogue]: I also believe that if enough of one emotion is projected, en mass, that others who may be sensitive may pick up on things over great distances.. at the sound of sounding overdramatic.. heh

2004-12-30 [TheRogue]: wheee! i'm official now! thanks sunny

2004-12-30 [Sunrose]: welcome! ;)

2004-12-30 [Sylvia Rote]: congradulations!!

2004-12-30 [DanClark]: That would be a very Shamanistic/Druidic approach to how a person's observations of the surrounding environment can be 'put under a microscope'. Most people now are too busy with their lives to actually see what is going on around them.

2004-12-30 [TheRogue]: *nods* life gets in the way of alot of things.. particularly observations.

2004-12-30 [DanClark]: Look at the sensitivity of animals and how they react to their environment, add to that fact that humans can plan ahead and 'guestimate' for lack of a better term, and actually influence their environment to produce a desired outcome.

2004-12-30 [TheRogue]: very true.. animals have a seemingly higher sensory perception and instinctual reaction that gives them a sort of 'early warning' about events or occurances in the environment. With the right observance, humans can in fact guestimate based on some of the information gathered through observance..

2004-12-30 [DanClark]: Why hello sir, pardon the faux-pas (SCA) just a formality I can't seem to shake.

2004-12-30 [TheRogue]: that might not have made sense.. i just woke up guys.. bear with me. :)

2004-12-30 [DanClark]: Looking at the environment, but also having the memory capacity gives humans the greatest advantage, unfortunately most of us are lazy, and don't do anything with the information swimming around us.

2004-12-30 [DanClark]: if we look at humans as biochemical batteries, we know that the body radiates an electric or energy field. This field is typically called the aura. It is easy enough to see, if you know how and what to look for. Have you ever known something was wrong with someone? Or felt uneasy around a friend just before something was going to happen? Or even meet a stranger and know that you'd hit it off right away?...in a sense that is what your reactions are to the energies being emitted by other life forces around you.

2004-12-30 [DanClark]: Sorry about the poorly worded apology; in my experience calling someone sir, who happens to be in the SCA and is not knighted, tends to be a frustration.

2004-12-30 [TheRogue]: haha.. i can totally relate.. but here.. we need no titles.. unless supahdude is a title..haha

2004-12-30 [DanClark]: In my experience, once you become attuned to the energy emitted by others, you can pin point problems, colors (which provide some infromation about general mood and health) as well as general strength (metaphysically speaking). Their are even some who can manipulate their aura.

2004-12-30 [TheRogue]: Doesn't that get into like.. the seven shakra's and such?

2004-12-30 [DanClark]: Yes and no, a balance through-out the body is a desired result, the shakras (or chakras) indicate specific power centers, or radiation points. But auras can be so much more. Have you ever met someone who just seems to be noticed the second they walk into a room? And/or others that just seem to pass through a crowd without anyone noticing them? What if you could modify your own aura to match the circumstances in which you find yourself.

2004-12-30 [DanClark]: The aura is one of the easiest things to learn about, and can do some pretty incredible things. Most 'healers' actually manipulate the aura of the patient, or themselves. Some martial arts teach of the manipulation of auras to hide from or mislead an opponent.

2004-12-30 [DanClark]: Please forgive my lack of spelling ability, too many years of 'Spell Check'

2004-12-30 [TheRogue]: Congratulate DanClark on his new teacherness. :)

2004-12-30 [DanClark]: If I may iterject a small religious belief on your last comment of the into Rogue: I believe we are all angels, and God was telling a story. We kept asking Him things like: what is pain? what is love? what is fear? and he created the world to show us what each of those things are. We will keep coming back until we all learn everything, and once that happens, He'll continue His story. (Just a little thought to spark conversation)

2004-12-30 [TheRogue]: very interesting! Never thought of it that way.. hmmm...

2004-12-31 [DanClark]: On that particular thread, no where in Christianity does it say that there are no other gods, or demi-gods. It states that no other god is to be placed before God. If you look back at the heirarchy of Norse, Greek and Roman religions, they too had a 'one true god' as Christianity does. Although theirs were named, Odin, Zeus and Jupiter. Also funnily enough, they also had children with humans. But I digress as this follows more along the lines of religious theology than metaphysics!

2004-12-31 [DanClark]: Metaphysics: in my opinion, the aura is the basis of seeing, controlling, manipulating and understanding metaphysics. Before you can see everything , you must first be able to see yourself. An easy way to 'see' your aura is to look into a mirror, and alter your focus point to a feww inches past or before the mirror (instead of focusing on your reflection in the mirror, focus on a point before that.) #on a side note, that is a martial arts group fighting technique, to change one's focus to encompass a larger group, and in fact someone who is learned in the art of auras can generally 'see' an attack before the attacker actually begins to move by the intensity and flow of their aura.

2004-12-31 [TheRogue]: now THAT i can certainly use.. heh. knowing the intent of an enemy before they act.

2004-12-31 [TheRogue]: you should do a page for the class about auras, dan. :)

2004-12-31 [DanClark]: Sure.... Computer illiterate person here *waves hello*....becoming less illiterate as we speak!

2005-01-02 [Dinaer]: Give me a call when that page on auras is near to being finished :-) i am most interested! ^^

2005-01-03 [DancingElf]: i liked your theory on auras, but i have a question, i can see auras around most humans but all animals, how is it that i am still blind to some peoples auras?

2005-01-03 [DanClark]: some people, (normally those who are sick or tired) have weaker auras. Further in the class I will be adding notes on intensity, and lightly touching/branching out towards healing, manipulation and deeper viewing. One of my friends a long time ago told me that she couldn't see an aura on me, in actual fact my aura was too expansive for her to see. Most auras are between 3-6 inches in depth surrounding the person in question (with Krillian (sp?) photography this can actually be seen) when they did my picture the whole back of the photo went white. At first the photographer thought the camera was broken, and tried again. 

2005-01-03 [DanClark]: Now, this is not to say I have a stronger aura, but more in line with the fact that I wasn't 'normal' in the same way other people's auras react.

2005-01-04 [DancingElf]: oh right, does the same theory apply to all life, also in your theory you mentioned something about atoms being the source of the aura, does this link into the theory that electrons can move between certain wavelengths within the spectrum of light and appear at different colours. if it does link in then that would explain the difference you get in the colours of your aura when your mood changes, as electrons need energy to move between these wavelengths and different emotions give of different amounts of energy which would cause the electrons to move between the wavelengths giving the aura the apperance of changing colour

2005-01-04 [DanClark]: actually I believe that the color of the aura is more the perception of the viewer, rather than the viewee. you see people's attitudes, emotions, and general state of health give off tell tale signs in their body language, demeanor and brainfunctions. just as they say laughter is the best medicine, so do the other emotions affect one's general state of mind and it is mirrored in one's aura

2005-01-04 [DancingElf]: so what your sayin is that if we both looked at a persons aura then the colour that we see could be infulenced by human perception

2005-01-04 [DanClark]: Exactly, what may be determined as anger by me, may be viewed as passion by you. It is the intensity of the emotion/aura that should remain a somewhat constant. And just like being able to hide your emotions, you can also alter your aura, if so inclined. This isn't as easy as holding back tears or a laugh, but combined with that can change your very appearance, if it is done successfully.

2005-01-04 [DanClark]: With your permission, I would like to move some of these discussions to the class area to give a deeper insight to the others as well.

2005-01-04 [DancingElf]: yeah, sure i dont mind, ill ask my next question there

2005-02-21 [TheRogue]: fixed. :)

2005-02-23 [Dil*]: looks nice ;)

2005-02-23 [TheRogue]: thanks. :)

2005-02-23 [TheRogue]: Hey dan.. put a brief description of the class under the outline section, if you please. :) that way we all have little tidy descriptions for our classes.

2005-02-23 [DanClark]: Will do.

2005-03-21 [Estantia]: How do you think OBE's link in to things like this then?

2005-03-21 [TheRogue]: Out of Body Experience...right? What is your question?

2005-03-21 [Estantia]: it's not exactly a question, but more general curiosity.

2005-03-22 [Estantia]: how do you see obe's? a lesson? a thought?

2005-03-24 [thoughtfox]: I know that you can train yourself to project astrally... which is basically intentional OBE. You have to start with dream recall, though. If you want, look up astral projection. My teacher warns me that i should actually not try it without someone who knows what (s)he's doing, though, so let me pass that warning to you. I have tried it, and i can tell you this - it's not easy.

2005-03-24 [thoughtfox]: Seeing them, though... that's a different story. Can't help you there. sorry.

2005-03-24 [thoughtfox]: If anyone's interested, you may want to check out this site: http://www.inannareturns.com/  I've been on the compiler's mailing list for some time so she's sent me many articles. I think she's brilliant.

2005-03-25 [DanClark]: There's also another way, where your conscious mind is freed from your body. As for it being dangerous, all documentation I've read has indicated it to be one of the safer arts. in the texts that I've read, each person's consciousness or soul can leave the physical body.

2005-03-25 [DanClark]: they all mention a string, mostly refered to as the silver string. It's kind of your trail of breadcrumbs, but it cannot be severed. Most religions believe that all living things are connected, in fact it is my belief that the internet is a reflection (albeit a poor one) of the spiritual connections that link each and every one of us. Kind of the web of Fate. Regardless, there is a simple exercise that can improve your ability to experience OBE's or astral travel. If you're interested I would be more than happy to add it to the Aura page, as a subsection.

2005-03-25 [TheRogue]: Sorry I haven't responded.. been hella sick.. still sick.. thanks Dan for covering.

2005-03-27 [DanClark]: Any time... sorry I have been lax in my duties as well though....been busy. Too much to do too little time!

2005-03-29 [Estantia]: one of the fundamental rules of life... there's NEVER enough time.

2005-03-29 [DanClark]: more like there's just enough time, but never a second more. ;)

2005-03-29 [TheRogue]: Time is the dripping of the unstoppable faucet, that drips incessantly, just to remind you that you have just lost another moment of your life...er.. something all spiritual like that... ;)

2005-03-29 [DanClark]: Thanks!///Now I have to pee....*grumbles*

2005-03-29 [thoughtfox]: lol. i like Douglas Adams' version of it: time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so.

2005-03-30 [hive]: hello everyone, im new here but love the lessons, what are your thoughts on time not being an absolute in the universe, since everything gos in a circle of birth, life, death, and then birth again

2005-03-30 [TheRogue]: time, in reference to an individual, may not seem so.. but I am glad you posted. :) all thoughts are welcome here.

2005-03-30 [nokaredes]: I like thinking about alternate dimensions. They say, every time you make a choice, you create one alternate dimension for every other possibility there was. Then, a few other dimensions for every result of the decision you made. Then, there are other decisions. I think your life is, in fact, plotted out for you from birth, and you just choose which life you get by your decisions.

2005-03-30 [hive]: i agree with that, wow thats deep

2005-03-30 [DanClark]: Or more that we are simply running a program set for us. It would be a rather neat explanation for deja vu. A glitch that allows us to see ahead, kind of like a skip in a CD. If you think that most humans only use 10% of their brains, then the other 90% may just be our memories...both past and future.

2005-03-30 [Sylvia Rote]: i read some where that no time exists; the book spoke of ancient Chinese alchemists during the Tao dynasty who had found a drug that allowed them to more or less experience all live ever on Earth through out time at the same time. Then again, it was only a drug, but the book as a whole was eerily fasinating.

2005-03-31 [Estantia]: That's the thing about metaphysics, it is fasinating, with the alternate dimensions... hm, I think there's general directions you have to go in, and they occasionally split, but you can go wherever but you'll inevitably stay inside that band, unless of course you avoid fate by slipping into a sidepath.

2005-03-31 [hive]: i like your comment DanClark, i also like the idea that since we recyle air, therefore the air that was breathed by our ancestors is also the air we breathe today, therefore we all have everyone inside us at some point. Also, since or DNA is made up of all our generations, and thier generations, ect. we have access to trillions of memeries, we actually know everything, we just have to remember.

2005-03-31 [Sylvia Rote]: Those trillions of memeriors you mentioned may also attribute to our modern fears; vampires, snake men, harpies, all just genetic memiors of birds and beasts that once plagued our ape-like ansestors.

2005-03-31 [hive]: i can agree with that, also that we ate so bad moldy bread back in the day that made us trip and see wierd things

2005-04-01 [nokaredes]: I believe in dragons...after all, how did three seperate cultures all have dragon legends, if they didn't exist?

2005-04-01 [Chaos Sun]: I agree :) ot

2005-04-01 [hive]: i agree with that aswell, and i belive in other creatures in that cadigory, they have the abillity to go into other dementions so we don't see them very often.

2005-04-01 [Estantia]: I think tere's other worlds that make up the universe, and that each book is true in one of those worlds, so all those things exist, just not here.

2005-04-01 [Sylvia Rote]: If all things exists form books, I'd hate to meet something from an H.P. Lovecraft story. ~shudders~

2005-04-02 [Estantia]: They just don't exist here, it's an odd way to look at it, but it makes sense to me... just be glad those things don't exist here...

2005-04-03 [nokaredes]: Yes...that's what I think too. Everything that you write down creates an alternate dimension where what you wrote is true. (However, if you think about that, it kinda makes you similar to God. O.o) And then, because for every thing that's one way, there's another dimention where it isn't true (and vice versa), there's a world where that doesn't happen. I don't actually know for sure which one we're in, but I like to think it's the one where it's true. Glass half full, you know?

2005-04-03 [Estantia]: but my theory is there's always one with no magic whatsoever, just that little spark we call talent... I think that's us...

2005-04-03 [thoughtfox]: About the alternate dimensions, i used to think that but now i don't believe in it, and this is why: after the girl i had a crush on rejected me, i still hung out with her group of friends (who were also my friends). The one day they asked me to sing a Spanish song for them, and two came to mind - a happy one, and a sad one. I sang the sad one. The next day the group of friends almost disintegrated because of my failed 'affair'... it might not have happened if i sang the happy song. Is it possible that in an alternate dimension i chose to sing the happy song and avoid the drama the next day? Being an emotional romanticist, i can't picture myself gathering the strength to sing happily.

2005-04-03 [thoughtfox]: Therefore, i don't believe in alternate dimensions. The choices we make are based on everything that makes us, IMHO, and therefore the only way we would make different decisions in an alternate dimension is if those core components were different, thus making US different. So the alternate dimensions, while it is possible they exist, are completely and utterly different from our own dimension, and therefore it's not just a single choice that creates a new dimension.

2005-04-03 [thoughtfox]: Have to agree with you, DanClark. I work on the basis of Hindu belief that we are all part of God... therefore we already know all the answers, it's just we've forgotten most of them as we are out of touch with our inner-god (Atma). And according to my English teacher (who's a metaphycist by heart) time exists as a fourth dimension... but only in the present. As for mythical creatures, i agree with Hyperharmonie - i believe that maybe by imagining them we create a universe where they do exist. The scary thing, though, is that maybe they imagine a new universe etc. and ultimately a different universe imagines us. So we only exist because ultimately we think we do.

2005-04-03 [thoughtfox]: Ok, i think that's enough essays from me :$. Sorry, guys...

2005-04-03 [Estantia]: it makes sense, i have to say i somehow think both theories ar eright about the choices... but, as i said, it's like walking along a path, the exact route you take differs, but you stay going in the same direction, i would post my thing about the walker up here but t's a bit long

2005-04-03 [Estantia]: no, it's interesting to see how you see it. i partly agree with you on split dimensions, the little things don't make a new one, but a big change does, so it's like walking along a path, the steps go along different routes but it's not too drastic a change of direction, see what I mean?

2005-04-03 [nokaredes]: but I thik the little ones do...or what we sometimes precieve as small decisions really are. choosing what to eat for a meal might not seem big, but it could turn out to be...

2005-04-04 [Estantia]: but it depends upon the next set of decisions you take as well, to use the path example (again) it's like taking one step towards the side of the path, you need to take the otehrs in the same direction to make a big difference.

2005-04-04 [thoughtfox]: Yes, i have to agree with Estantia. Some big decisions do change the course of the world, and might just open up a new dimension. If my parents hadn't chosen to come to SA, my life would be so different. But i don't see them not coming to South Africa, and hence in order for that dimension to exist the fibre that creates them must be different. But maybe in a different dimension i exist, having lived all my life in Israel, surfing some bizarre sites the me in this dimension would never hear of... such would be another dimension where i am composed differently, had different experiences etc.

2005-04-04 [Estantia]: exactly, i just can't explain general cases in words, I end up using analogies... it makes more sense in a way.

2005-04-06 [hive]: i like to think of it as traveling the universe without leaving. you go to a place wether it be physical or mental, emotional, or spiritual; these places are roads, and the reason you travel down them is to learn what is nessisary to travel more. yet once you've gottin to your destination its time for another, hence creating another demension, hence creating another situation, and so on, lol ;)

2005-04-08 [Estantia]: when it comes to that i think of the path as splintering into different routes, but here's basically what I think The Walker

2005-04-10 [pelv13]: has any one here tried a cat's cradle?

2005-04-10 [TheRogue]: I did once.. but I couldn't get the cat to stay in it very long.. kept freakin out. ;)

2005-04-14 [hive]: lol

2005-04-14 [Estantia]: the game with the elastic? since this is metaphysics maybe not that...

2005-04-21 [Estantia]: what has that to do with this?

2005-06-06 [goneforever]: i have to say, if there were alternate dimentions created for every time we made a choice, (each other one where you made a different choice etc) there would be an infinate number of universes CREATED every millisecond for every person and living thing on earth. that is why i do not believe that particular theory or dimensional relationships. i have many other theories, but as this one has been touched upon (by ThoughtFox), I would share my thoughts... if anyone would care to msg me I'd be pleased for feedback!... also, how do you become a teacher or a student on here? because i would like to become a teacher in history and possibly maths and either a teacher or maybe a student in here....

2005-06-06 [goneforever]: ...as i would like to hear other people's views and learn more as I am always open to other's thoughts and new ideas for me to mull over and expand and create my own ideas about, i care very deeply about this subject and i love discussing it so if anybody would like to msg me, please do so.

2005-06-07 [TheRogue]: Sorry I haven't had time to do much with the wiki.. life gets in the way.. I think that the alternate reality theory would not pertain to every millisecond, there are pivotal crossroads in one's life, small or large, and if there were alternate dimensions, they would be created due to those choices. sorry that's about all i can offer right now.. maybe more later.

2005-06-08 [DanClark]: Although everysecond, something somewhere is pivotal...for someone. That brings to light an interesting thought...is each person's universe controlled by each person, or everyone around them? Do only your own actions affect you or do those of the people around you also direct your path? and if yes, them every tiny thing you do affects maybe not you, but perhaps the course of someone else's life.

2005-06-08 [nokaredes]: Yup. The 'butterfly in China' comes to mind here.

2005-06-08 [TheRogue]: i believe that all your actions, affect you and others within your wake..look at your actions as a still pond, and dropping a pebble into it sends waves infinately across the water. These waves affect everyone within that particular spectrum. Example: if you are mean to the waitress, your actions may cause her to have a bad day, and thus take it out on someone else..everyone has a pond, and they are all connected, and one ripple from you may disrupt another's ripple and change the course of their path.

2005-06-08 [TheRogue]: Since you cannot stop the ripples, one must believe that the ripples you create can be benevolant or malicious, and thus infect other's ripples.

2005-06-08 [Estantia]: however the ripple could bring water from another's pond and so change the actual person, friends are always picking up each other's habits and thoughts.

2005-06-09 [Amon Ra]: I have a question. What does it mean, when I enter or go to some places i sometime feel a little dizzy (and it's not becoase I'm ill or something) for a few moments (during that time I feel strangly nice, and good). And I also have a lot of "deja vu"s (but they are fragile, and mostly I can't recognize them, I mean I can't tell what will hapen next, but I know that I know this situation).

2005-06-09 [nokaredes]: Everyone has little fuzzy deja vu's...it's when you can summarize what people haven't said yet that you need to start worrying. ^_^

2005-06-09 [Amon Ra]: All right, but what about those dizzy times?

2005-06-09 [nokaredes]: I think you should look up epilepsy. :\

2005-06-09 [Amon Ra]: Ha, Ha :D very nice, just for the reccord, my uncle is a psyhiatrist and he inspected me, and sad that I'm ok.

2005-06-09 [Estantia]: no, i have the dizzy bits and it does look like partial epilepsy, I ignore it... also I can summarise things that people didn't even they had been thinking, i get strange looks...

2005-06-09 [nokaredes]: I interrupt people stories with 'You told me that already.' Then whoever it is goes, 'No I didn't.' Then I say 'Yes you did...' and then say the short version of the story. I knew everyone's name on my first day of class this semester. Everyone! That can't be simple false deja vu...

2005-06-09 [TheRogue]: Precognition is yet another facet of things that i'd like to discuss eventually.. if time ever permitted..

2005-06-10 [DanClark]: You said that already Rogue....

2005-06-10 [DanClark]: lol....sorry, couldn't help myself! :)

2005-06-10 [TheRogue]: *snikker*

2005-06-10 [nokaredes]: Does your time permit today?

2005-06-10 [TheRogue]: maybe.. i'm at work so i'm kinda doin the ninja elftown thing..

2005-06-10 [nokaredes]: ...Ninja ET thing? OMG, you're a Panty Raider too! O_o

2005-06-10 [TheRogue]: I have fuzzy deja vu's alot.. I've sometimes felt close to grabbing hold of the "before it ends" part, and try to map out what happens in the next few seconds, but it always seems to elude me at that point.

2005-06-10 [nokaredes]: I used to have those...I think I miss those. Thinking something here is familiar, but not knowing what...though, when I listen to the deja vu, and it turns out to be right is one of the neatest things I can think of right now.

2005-06-10 [TheRogue]: It is.. especially when the recollection starts, and you notice before it ends, instead of after. I'm working on trying to catch it when it begins, and be able to precog the next minute or two...

2005-06-10 [nokaredes]: I get feelings that tell me to do one thing instead of the other, mostly. *tries to think of recent examples* Yesterday I mowed the lawn, instead of my traditional lawn-mowing day of Friday, because it was bugging me, and today it's pouring down rain.

2005-06-10 [TheRogue]: the force is strong with this one... *grin* i have found that my gut instinct seems to lead me alot better than if i take time to think..

2005-06-10 [nokaredes]: If I think about it then I decide it's not rational, and I kick myself later.

2005-06-10 [DanClark]: I like the idea that everything we will do is already ingrained in us, and that we simply skip ahead and see what will happen.

2005-06-10 [nokaredes]: But then we couldn't have parallel universes...

2005-06-10 [thoughtfox]: i've found i have that when i travel. If i start thinking about where i'm going, i get lost. as long as i don't think, i'll find my way. hasn't worked with anything else

2005-06-10 [thoughtfox]: Phalos, i think we could. As i said earlier, i don't think that parallel universes exist due to endless possibilities - it doesn't make sense - if i had a choice, i would take the one that made more sense to me, not pick one of the two at random.

2005-06-10 [thoughtfox]: However, while writing fantasy and meditating i have seen these other worlds. It's incredible - every time i create a fantastic world, i lose control over it. Suddenly, i'm no longer the one creating it, i'm only watching it develop. While meditating i've explored these realms - they are truly fantastic!

2005-06-10 [DanClark]: Why is reality based upon physicality? When thought and reason supercedes these things? Isn't it possible that we are merely manifestations of our thoughts?

2005-06-10 [nokaredes]: No, because then I would be taller. ;P

2005-06-11 [thoughtfox]: I was thinking that myself, and i came to a frightening conclusion - could it be that the worlds we imagine are in fact real worlds? but then, the creatures on those worlds would also imagine, wouldn't they, and in doing so they create a world. and those creatures imagine another world, etc... until we come to a world which imagines us. So we only exist because we imagine that we do. Also, according to my study of Hindu texts, it doesn't work that way. We cannot change the Atma (our inner God, as well as the primal force of the whole universe) and thank goodness, because if we could we'd destroy the world in a nanosecond.

2005-06-11 [Estantia]: *chokes at what was said* erm, oh my... someone came up with the same theory as me...each world created by a writer is another world... it's a philosophy I've had for ages... and I have realised before the end of the precog and done something...

2005-06-12 [Dil*]: If your classroom is messy, please fix it with classroom template - [ elftown academy crew ]

2005-06-13 [thoughtfox]: I know, Estantia. Isn't it fascinating? You create a world, and you seem to be in control... but halfway into the story, you're no longer the creater. The world creates and develops itself. You've created the framework and the world fills in the rest. I love it.

2005-06-13 [DanClark]: So in fact you have breathed life into that place...now imagine being able to realise that the world you are in is simply the writings of another...could you not also take control of it?

2005-06-14 [RiverStar]: Anyone interested in being part of a philosophy community? I need 20-30 thirty solid names of people who can be active before Hedda will consider allowing me to create it. Message me if you want to be included in my petition list and I will let you know when Hedda allows it.

2005-06-14 [thoughtfox]: exactly what i was thinkiong, DanClark. It's a scary thought, though, and i'm still following the Bhagavad Gita: "You have control only over your respective duty, but not over the results." I think i'll keep it at that.

2005-06-14 [Estantia]: yes, and anyway, as we said, you can't really control any story when it gets going, you're just the messenger, so you wouldn't be able to control this story anyway...

2005-06-14 [DanClark]: No... but you could control your part of it. Most people see only what is around them, and those of us that can step backaand see a bigger picture can see how our small part affects a greater result.

2005-06-14 [thoughtfox]: "You have control only over your respective duty..."  I agree completely, DanClark. This illusion of a world is a collection of all of our consciousnesses. Each one of us is on the path of life, and we can decide what to do with that path. So let's take it to the end, na?

2005-06-14 [DanClark]: exactly... and that also brings into question something else.... what if we all focused on one thing? What could the outcome be? Could that one thought cause a chain reaction?

2005-06-15 [Estantia]: one thought spread to others maybe, I get the impression of... has anyone seen the film where kids have to come up with an idea to change the world and do it? Also the way one wiki has grown, a few days ago it started, it now has 300 members

2005-06-15 [TheRogue]: Must be talking about Take Elftown Back eh? Just goes to show that all it takes is one skip over the routine of overlooking, and you get a revolution. :)

2005-06-15 [Estantia]: yup, that's the one, couldn't remember the name though. But it's not just thinking, it's other people agreeing and acting with that thought, that causes the chain reaction.