2005-02-07 [Dark Angel]: sometimes i really think that some members will never get the thing with the rules. I mean, the pictures have been removed by a guard and she uploads them again...

2005-02-07 [Stormqueen]: just a question, not that I encourtered it somewere, but just random: Since you are alloud to use pictures that are not yours on wiki's, but not in memberhouses as banners; when you have your banners on a seporated wiki, are you alloud to use them then?

2005-02-07 [Dark Angel]: mhm... as I understand the rules you are not allowed to put the banners somewhere else as on your wiki, not on any member's houses or somewhere else. Or do you mean that the wiki with the banners belongs to the main wiki? But perhaps we should wait till a guard answers the question.

2005-02-07 [Stormqueen]: Yeah, I mean when someone has put the wiki's he/she belongs to on a wiki because the descrip was to big or so

2005-02-07 [Sunrose]: You can put the animated (or other UAR-breaking) banners of wikis you belong to on a wiki yes, just not your house. :)

2005-02-07 [Stormqueen]: the solution is found!

2005-02-07 [Stratakus]: [glitched_up] Anyone recognize this pic? That purple smear at the bottom kind of looks like an attempt to scribble out an artists name or a Copyright website.

2005-02-07 [Stormqueen]: Couldn't it not just be his own name?

2005-02-07 [Dark Angel]: I know it too. If I remeber right it has to be a War Craft pic, II or III

2005-02-07 [fallen into blood]: ok i know im no guard or something but my opinion is that i think it looks more like a failed attempt to make his/hers own name but yeah it looks suspicious.. :p

2005-02-07 [Sunrose]: You should report it because not all Guards watch this page and it indeed looks stolen, but I don't recognise it.. :/

2005-02-07 [Dark Angel]: well, I am already searching for it. The characters are Night Elvers from WarCraft III, but if I should find it, I'll tell you the link [Stratakus]!

2005-02-07 [Dark Angel]: perhaps you should look for fanart e.p. at Elfwood. Too bad that it is down at the moment. This would be a possibility, too.

2005-02-07 [fallen into blood]: is it actually okay to have the sample pictures (that comes with windows XP) up as "photo" in your house? just wondering since [barnzy] has one of those pics... shall i report him?

2005-02-07 [Sunrose]: If it's not copyrighted, it's still random. Ye syou can report it :)

2005-02-07 [fallen into blood]: okay :p what shall i say in the report then? like... uuh.. "windows XP sample picture. breaking uploading art rules" ??

2005-02-07 [dragonflye]: In the report just say it was a random image taken from the windows XP samples. Or something to that effect.

2005-02-07 [fallen into blood]: okay thanks :)

2005-02-09 [nokaredes]: can someone tell me why [Soroptimist] was banned?

2005-02-10 [Stratakus]: Causing trouble under a different account . When one account gets banned, they all get banned.

2005-02-10 [nokaredes]: Riiight...so what trouble did [Soroptimist] cause?

2005-02-10 [nokaredes]: okay, before I get myself in trouble, let me explain. [Soroptimist] is, in fact, a clone house. However, I have heard that some people think it was [Sagacious Turkey]'s clone house. It wasn't. It was mine. I signed that up that ID at my college, and, because you have so thoroughly banned [Sagacious Turkey] and [Soroptimist], I can't even log in on this ID, while on any computer in the library. And, it's annoying, since I like coming to ET, and can't go on in the place I go to use a computer. I have to go out of my way for no reason!! It wasn't Turkey!! It was me!

2005-02-10 [Sunrose]: Uhm [nokaredes]: Patrollers don't ban people, they report people. It has no use coming here ranting at them since it's not their fault. [Sagacious Turkey] and ALL clones on his IP were banned. However that is no reason to panic: your houses have been given an anti-ban. That should solve it now. *Edit: your [nokaredes]-account even already has an antiban so you should've been able to use it as normal*

2005-02-10 [nokaredes]: I wasn't on his IP; I signed up in a different state, and I shouldn't have been banned at all, and that's why I was asking. What's this about an Anti-ban?

2005-02-10 [Sunrose]: Well apparantly it was somehow. You have been given one and now your house works again :)

2005-02-10 [nokaredes]: Which house are we talking about?

2005-02-10 [Sunrose]: Uhm it's already solved. Both of them work.

2005-02-11 [Stratakus]: [Mataeya] Can't proove it's stollen. I know for a fact it's stollen but I can't put any backup to it other than gut instinct. So it's free for anyone who wants to report it.

2005-02-11 [Sunrose]: Well sometimes you can report it anyway: maybe a guard recognises it. It's best to have proof though. If guards can't find proof we have to dismiss the report :/

2005-02-11 [Stratakus]: Exactly why I put it up here. I don't care if I report it or not, as long as someone can write a report that get's it taken down. 

2005-02-11 [teptep]: the picture in [Mataeya]'s home if thats the person we are talking about, it reminds me of dot hack fan art. though I could be wrong, I to can't find the picture but maybe the dot hack refrance can be of some help.

2005-02-11 [Stratakus]: Nah. I'm a Hack fan and nothing like that is from Hack.

2005-02-11 [teptep]: well I am gonna go with the polight aproche and ask her where she got the picture.

2005-02-11 [Leara]: It looks like an artist named Yukirin's style.

2005-02-11 [Adnama]: Hm. You could probably go out on a limb and search on google for "angel of death", the pic in [Mataeya]'s house. Sometimes it works. ;3

2005-02-11 [Leara]: I looked. And looked. Haven't found it...and it isn't Yukirin's even though the style is similar...I'm pretty sure I've seen it before, probaly on Deviantart.

2005-02-11 [Lioness123]: I can check deviantart for you... what was the title of it?

2005-02-11 [Kaimee]: well, on their lj they have that and another yukirin pic (http://www.animegalleries.net/album/search/category/0/img/10) and the style really does look like yurikins.. but i cant find it :/

2005-02-11 [Leara]: I noticed the coloring style is different from Yukirin's, so its probaly someone who imitates that style...a lot of artists do...I thought it may have been Kurot, Ferus, or Hirochan at DeviantART at first, but its not in any of thier galleries.(My god. There art looks like its all from the same person. @_@)

2005-02-11 [Kaimee]: i know, i had a search through their galleries, do you subscribe to dA? you could search for the keywords... i really wish they hadnt disabled that feature sometimes. >.<

2005-02-12 [Leara]: Nope...I don't have paypal...not way to subscribe even if i wanted to. >.,

2005-02-12 [Kaimee]: dang, well, i cant find it on any search engines... maybe just wait and see what he/she replies to teptep?

2005-02-12 [teptep]: this person might not reply at all, art thieves are getting smarter, just like real thieves do, digital art seems to becoming more and more abundent over the net, some even that is not on art communities, most likely these thieves or atleast some of them relize this and take what we can't find. In my opinion I think it should be the person suspected that should provide the proof of burden as to wether the art is theres. such as a rough draft of the picture or the original lined copy, though that can also be faked.

2005-02-12 [Stratakus]: Or maybe have them provide another example of their art. Possibly they couldn't find the page they stole it from or find anything else by the artist it was stollen from. Or if they do, they might accidently put up one that someone would recognize.

2005-02-12 [teptep]: thats true, but knowing some people most save the sites there taking from, it's possible they will throw up another picture no one recodnizes, I had this arguement once before with someone, they where 10 years old and had work better then most of the good artists here, well scence I couldn't prove where they got the picture from and they refused to submit another picture of equal quality I couldn't prove a thing.

2005-02-12 [teptep]: I still say that people should provide further proof of there work if there suspected, I mean it sounds harsh, and all but certianly not invading, if they refuse then the picture is taken down, do to the fact they are hiding something. Now I know this might seem like we are art natzi's but most of the art sites take things very seriously and I am sure this little trick has been used most likely many times. for example adnama would be able to provide proof of her works, but someone stealing her work wouldn't, like if I where to ask someone stealing adnama's work to provide a sketch of a picture they had colored then it would be impossible for them to do so seeing as the original sketch is not

2005-02-12 [teptep]: in there possesion.

2005-02-12 [nokaredes]: well, some people actually color their art in real life, and therefore don't have the original sketch. not this member though...

2005-02-12 [teptep]: I know, in some cases it won't work, but still the more examples they have the better we can narrow it down.

2005-02-12 [Kaimee]: except that adnama often uploads her sketches, which added to her problem with Paine didnt it? :P also, some ppl might not have current access to a camera or scanner, and might not be able to provide further/newer examples of their art.

2005-02-12 [Adnama]: This is true. And if the artist had any sense, they'd have sketches scanned and saved with a different filename than the finished product. ;3 The main thing is, if they don't have a secondary website, don't have sketches, and/or don't want to give you proof, then there's obviously something fishy. :)

2005-02-13 [teptep]: yeah, thats what I say, and thats why I say give me proof of burden or give me death! that or bribe me with nacho's and 50 bucks but that most likely isn't happening.

2005-02-13 [Dark Angel]: well, your suggestions aren't bad but you will never get people upload all their sketches. What's about digital created pictures, without sketch? On the other site are Elftown and Elfwood sites which have very strict rules. But nothing works without some trust. I remember the beginnings of all and there has been a lot of stolen art around here.

2005-02-14 [Adnama]: It is true that digitally colored pictures often times don't have sketches, but people can always take progress shots. I have a program that will play my progress back, start to finish. :3 The picture would also have to be formatted for the internet, so the real artist would always have a clearer and larger picture on hand. There are always ways to prove who the real artist is. I wouldn't upload all my sketches though, so I see where you're coming on the first thing.

2005-02-14 [nokaredes]: But not everyone has sophisticated programs :( Some of us have to make due with Paint....

2005-02-14 [Kaimee]: OR if the piece is digitally coloured/cged from scratch on a "sophisticated program" (paintshop, photoshop, opencanvas etc), ppl can save a version with a middle layer removed or something, to make it obvious they have all the layer info, therefore the original file :)

2005-02-14 [Dark Angel]: but I stills ee there a problem. Will you visit member's houses and ask them to upload their sketches because you're not sure if it is stolen or not? I just remember my exchange time to a foreign country and I've visited Elftown, too. If you would ask me to upload my sketches or bann me I would have a really big problem cause I don't take my pics with me all the time. Sure, most people are at home, but it is a fact we have to think about. It is not that easy as you think, even if I say that better controll methods would help.

2005-02-14 [teptep]: ok in responce to that, sure that is something that could happen, but then if you just explained that I am sure you would be given enough time till you returned back hope to upload it.

2005-02-14 [Dark Angel]: mhm, what is enough time? Another example. I am studying and sometimes I am not at home for more then three weeks. But most of my pics aren't at home. Would you wait three weeks?

2005-02-14 [Jay Ladlehaus]: usually the ET authorities seem fairly patient and tolerant (unless they've been pushed too far by someone). Though some recent comment on one of the anti-revolution wiki as led me to question that for some (but then again maybe too many buttons had been pushed).

2005-02-14 [Dark Angel]: sure, I just try to give another view of the problem. I like the idee that people have to give proof for thgeir work and I guess they will if there is no problem. Guess I don't know what people say or do to be banned forever. You just get a little clue out of the Secret Comments...

2005-02-14 [teptep]: I know non of what we have descussed is going into any plan so don't take it to seriously, it's just how I feel about some things.

2005-02-14 [Dark Angel]: sure, but it is worth to discuss and talk about it! *smiles*

2005-02-14 [teptep]: sure can.

2005-02-14 [teptep]: not sure.

2005-02-14 [Sunrose]: I think there's only one who has that :)

2005-02-14 [Sunrose]: [Stratakus], care to tell your story? ;)

2005-02-14 [Stratakus]: Uuuh... It was before the whole Patroller thing I think. I asked Calico to put it up there so anyone visiting my house would have a link to it right there in their face. I just if the UAR wiki had more publicity it would be followed more. I mean... Other than being Told where to find by someone who already knows, or going to a council Wiki, how the hell is any random elftowner going to know the rules even exist? I've suggested it to Hedda but he didn't see the need for a UAR link in places like the Upload picture section.

2005-02-14 [Dark Angel]: somehow I like the idea *grins*

2005-02-14 [Stratakus]: If you want one, just ask a guard to put it there. (A Promoter message I mean)

2005-02-14 [nokaredes]: Can you have anything there?

2005-02-14 [Sunrose]: What do you mean? :)

2005-02-14 [nokaredes]: I dunno...I was just wondering how weird a message you could ask for before they would refuse...

2005-02-14 [Sunrose]: These days such messages aren't placed anymore. All that is placed now are SS's about artistic nudity and sometimes about cyber. The rest is about bannings or things like that :)

2005-02-14 [nokaredes]: mmm...

2005-02-15 [Stratakus]: Yeah. I payed Calico for that image above my house with degrading pictures of myself. It was worth it.

2005-02-15 [Sunrose]: Well the image is not there (anymore?) :)

2005-02-15 [Stratakus]: You've seen the image Sunrose.

2005-02-15 [Sunrose]: Probably! :D

2005-02-15 [Dark Angel]: sorry, again questsion about a pic. What do you think about the dragon on this ET [Wise_dragon]? Anybody knowing the pic cause I can't read the sign? I've already searched google, couldn't find it.

2005-02-15 [dragonflye]: He doesn't have any reference to an artist, or that he drew it. Chances are it isn't his.

2005-02-16 [teptep]: yep chances points to yes. he did not do it, skill like that is learned over a long period of time, and if he where to have done that picture I am sure he would have more refrances to his works, besides that reminds me of those huge artists like valio or whatever his name is.

2005-02-16 [teptep]: that doesn't always work, people whom take work from other sources can be clever about it by changing the file name.

2005-02-16 [Stormqueen]: The other picture in his house isn't original too. It's made on www.goodorient.com but I think the copyright is still of the site and not his

2005-02-16 [peura]: I think that one can be considered a "comissioned picture", since they seem to charge money for those.

2005-02-16 [Stormqueen]: Mmm... It sais 'free download' so I don't think they charge money for it

2005-02-16 [peura]: Oh, I only found the ones they charged for, but they were without the picture frame... I think this is a borderline case, since it isn't just a "random" random picture (it is his name after all) and it is free to use.

2005-02-16 [nokaredes]: What about the images on [MorphineVamp13]'s house? They look like tattoos to me...

2005-02-16 [Leara]: They aren't allowed, unless she drew them, which I think is highly unlikely for a 13 year old, the actual artist wouldn't shrink them to unviewable sizes either.

2005-02-16 [Dark Angel]: Hopefully a guard can help me: I've reported [ddsfsfdsfd] because of the HIM sign and also added the link becasue it is copyrighted. My question: why is it still uplaoded? I reported some days ago. So it is allowed?

2005-02-16 [Leara]: It says HIM....there is no image...and it would be easy for anyone to make it...I don't believe it really breaks any rules, quite a few members have those.

2005-02-16 [Sunrose]: [Dark Angel]: Guards do what they can. We get many reports and can't solve all of them at once. The member you mentioned is being taken care of already. :)

2005-02-17 [Dark Angel]: okay, i have been just wondering, [Sunrose]. Thanks! To [Leara]: well, I found this Him sign in the internet, so it is a random, by the music group HIM copyrighted image. So I would say it is not allowed.

2005-02-22 [nokaredes]: Are the images on [just keep on goin]'s house allowed? He says he copied a bunch of photos off of the 'Net and blended them together in Photoshop...I don't think it is but I just want to make sure.

2005-02-22 [Sunrose]: No it's not allowed. See the UAR: 'H) A collage of images, if they contain any of the above.' :)

2005-02-23 [Dark Angel]: question time... if there are members of a wiki using collage of copyrighted images as badged, what do I report? Reporting the members?!

2005-02-23 [All_Most PUNK]: Report one, we can see it there and see what steps to take.

2005-02-23 [nokaredes]: Are various versions of the Playboy bunny allowed? (like this: <URL:http://elftown.lysator.liu.se/img/photo/24726_1075490961.jpg> )

2005-02-23 [Sunrose]: Depends on the version. Some playboy bunnies were created by Deiscorides (damned be his new name!). You can find those in Elftown Graphics. He always put his name in the url, but maybe this member saved one of Deis' and uploaded it himself...

2005-02-24 [Malnu]: well, that one appears to have come off the Playboy Television channel. Good chance anyhow. I don't imagine it is of their own making. It should be deleted. Report the house, so that it can be taken care of by a Guard.

2005-02-24 [la vie lemon]: [font] isn't a Patroller anymore?

2005-02-24 [Malnu]: nope... looks like he was promoted to Guard

2005-02-24 [la vie lemon]: oh, when I looked at the Guards page, I didn't see him. Well, thanks!

2005-02-24 [Sunrose]: Ooh I forgot to add him there as well >.>

2005-02-25 [Lioness123]: coolies! we'll have to congratulate him

2005-03-06 [Akurei_Kitsune]: Oooooh. I have to start watching this page ><

2005-03-08 [Phoenix Tears]: how does one become a patroller?

2005-03-08 [peura]: Phoenix Tears: Write lots of good guard reports, and don't break the rules yourself.

2005-03-08 [Phoenix Tears]: ooooh cool ^_^ thanks, I was just wondering

2005-03-09 [Akurei_Kitsune]: lol >> I guess I'm doing teh right thing x3

2005-03-10 [Legion Of Boom]: what if you broke the rules once would that matter somewhat ?

2005-03-10 [Jay Ladlehaus]: From what I've seen the guards are a tenderhearted bunch. All the bans I've seen were a result of multiple violations following warnings, stupidity, grevious violations, or challenging guard authority.

2005-03-10 [Legion Of Boom]: so i should be good aslong as i don't put antmore pictures up

2005-03-10 [Jay Ladlehaus]: you can put pics up, just don't violate the UAR. If you have a question on an image, ask the guards. They always answer questions.

2005-03-10 [Legion Of Boom]: well i'll do that then thanx

2005-03-10 [Legion Of Boom]: ok i have another question ...if i got some picture from other people and they got deleted then how come the person that i got the pictures from didn't get deleted ?

2005-03-10 [Jay Ladlehaus]: Because the guards can't be everywhere at once. When they, the patroller, the NW, or others see it, it will be removed. You could help the process by either warning that person, writing a report to the guards, or both.

2005-03-10 [Legion Of Boom]: ok well the picture just got deleted so that works to

2005-03-10 [Legion Of Boom]: oo thanx again

2005-03-10 [Jay Ladlehaus]: no prob

2005-03-11 [Legion Of Boom]: you can't have moving objects right ?

2005-03-11 [Jay Ladlehaus]: The only time you can have moving images in your house is if YOU created them. There's no exceptions on that one.

2005-03-11 [Legion Of Boom]: ok then thanx ...

2005-03-13 [Akurei_Kitsune]: Well I've had a moving GIF divider in my house that I made myself. I had one guard delete it, [Adnama], but she let me put it back up. Then another guard deleted it again, [Rennie], telling me that [Hedda] specifically said no GIFs whatsoever because it slows Elftowns server down.

2005-03-14 [Lerune]: And she is correct. [Hedda] said in the forums quite recently that he doesn't want animated banners of any kind in people's houses, and this is his site, so we have been removing them.

2005-03-14 [Ihsahn]: that means time to report :)

2005-03-14 [Legion Of Boom]: yeah really

2005-03-14 [curator angelus]: what is this about?

2005-03-14 [Ihsahn]: animated banners and the Uploading art rules

2005-03-14 [curator angelus]: hmm?

2005-03-14 [Ihsahn]: look at the older comments to find out

2005-03-14 [curator angelus]: so basicly this place is the image hunters?

2005-03-14 [Ihsahn]: if you want to look at it that way then yes

2005-03-14 [Lerune]: Basically, this place is full of people that help the guards out. There are over 12,000 houses on ET now...we can't possibly be everywhere at once, so we have people helping us to try and keep ET free of illegal images and members misbehaving.

2005-03-14 [curator angelus]: ok cool

2005-03-14 [Ihsahn]: indeed

2005-03-14 [Linn Scarlett]: hm sounds like fun =)

2005-03-14 [Ihsahn]: some what

2005-03-14 [Linn Scarlett]: oh come on *smiles at satans begotten son*

2005-03-14 [Ihsahn]: i am sorry but this is not a place to chat :(

2005-03-14 [Linn Scarlett]: i know, but i was pondering on if i can be a patroller, and if id like it

2005-03-14 [Ihsahn]: read the FAQ then read How do i get badges then becomes familier with the Uploading art rules then Report the violator to the Guards and perhaps you will be lucky i can not guarentee that you will become one of the Patrollers though :(

2005-03-14 [Linn Scarlett]: ...ok

2005-03-14 [Sunrose]: [Lerune]: except if the GIFS have been made by that member themselves... :)

2005-03-14 [Ultiem]: EJoth will now hunt out the evil gifs  with the ferosity of an angry kitty

2005-03-14 [Lerune]: I was almost certain he said no gifs at all...thanks for correcting me...

2005-03-14 [Linn Scarlett]: isnt it: home made gifs, but not too many?

2005-03-14 [Jay Ladlehaus]: I believe there have been a couple of people banned because they had too many gifs and would not comply with requests to scale down their presentation.

2005-03-14 [Linn Scarlett]: *nodds* thats what i thought, has something to do with slowing down elftown and such, right?

2005-03-14 [Jay Ladlehaus]: [blue_is_true] - banned; [Candy Coated Corpse] - warned (at least last time I checked).

2005-03-14 [Linn Scarlett]: oh ok

2005-03-14 [Ihsahn]: some have SS wanring on their home page a Member is given a few chances before they are removed :)

2005-03-14 [jamesipoo]: Awsome I usally report them for breaking the rules anyway,now I might get a badge eventually sweet

2005-03-15 [Ihsahn]: [jamesipoo] You are not guarenteed a badge for making reports

2005-03-15 [Akurei_Kitsune]: ^^

2005-03-15 [Jay Ladlehaus]: lol

2005-03-15 [Pyro Mac]: um....are those stupid cartoon dolls against the rules?

2005-03-15 [The Matter of Splatter]: hmmmmm

2005-03-15 [Ihsahn]: The Cartoon Dolls are not against rules if the person has created it themselves :)

2005-03-15 [Pyro Mac]: ok...im just wonder...thanks

2005-03-15 [Tapestry of Destiny]: What about moving GIFs on wikis?

2005-03-15 [Ihsahn]: Some one may correct me if i am wrong but they are allowed on wikis

2005-03-15 [Sunrose]: [Ihsahn]: please stop using <b>/</b> :) // Dolls own made are allowed, but only if they are related to the member. We don't want members having 100 random dolls on their house :)

2005-03-15 [Linn Scarlett]: hm yeah *had in past time some doll-thing of her 'RPG-guild-group'* was kind of cute :p

2005-03-16 [Akurei_Kitsune]: GIFS aren't allowed in wiki houses anymore, explains [Hedda]. Even if the person made the GIFs themselves, they still aren't allowed because it slows the server down, ne? I have heard that from several guards.

2005-03-16 [Ihsahn]: Qoute from the Uploading art rules Yes, in the wiki you can inline animated GIFs and other free-to-use-images that you are not allowed to have in your houses. However, you are NEVER allowed to steal art, that is, take someone else's picture and claim it as your own. If it is a secret wiki-page (No link from your presentation or open forum), you can inline what you want. so they wqould be allowed just not your house please read the Uploading art rules for more details :)

2005-03-16 [Akurei_Kitsune]: But a new update from [Hedda] explains that moving animated GIFs in the house slows Elftown's server down, and the computer of members who are looking at ones house. You could ask many of the guards such as [Rennie]. She explained the whole deal to me. And yes stealing art isn't allowed; plagiarism. Kind of what [Ihsahn] explained about ^^'

2005-03-16 [Ihsahn]: then the Uploading art rules needs to be updated i will speak with [Sunrose] and [Rennie] myself

2005-03-16 [Ihsahn]: i myself hope this is true i despise moving Gifs with a passion

2005-03-16 [Sunrose]: We all read this wiki, so we can come here ourselves. We don't want animated wiki-banners. Animated GIF's in wikis are allowed, but people put animated wikibanners in their house which is against the rules :)

2005-03-16 [Akurei_Kitsune]: I know. I personally can't stand moving GIFs either. I'll probably message one of the guards too, to update the Rules. It's slows down my computer a lot too. I can make a lot of reports because people put in a lot of GIFs in their house ^^ Mwahaha.

2005-03-16 [Sunrose]: I am one of the Guards, no need in spamming 15 Guards when most read this wiki :) // What exactly do you want the rules to say? :)

2005-03-16 [Ihsahn]: in wikis they are allowed just not in houses :)

2005-03-16 [Sunrose]: That's what I already said >.>

2005-03-16 [Ihsahn]: oops <.<

2005-03-16 [Akurei_Kitsune]: Just no GIFs allowed in houses, whatsoever. Even if they did create them or not. That's basically what [Hedda] wants, yes?

2005-03-16 [Ihsahn]: yes as [Sunrose] said >.>

2005-03-16 [Akurei_Kitsune]: Oh Xx' Oops. <<' *cough*

2005-03-16 [Sunrose]: Err..no! Again: No animated GIFS on houses, unless the animated GIF was ownmade! Animated wiki-banners are not allowed on houses though, wether they're ownmade or not.

2005-03-16 [Akurei_Kitsune]: I'm talking about animated GIFs such as GIF dividers and names and stuff.

2005-03-16 [Sunrose]: Yes, and I am not? Please read again what I wrote! It says it all in there.. >.>

2005-03-16 [Akurei_Kitsune]: I mean....even if it WAS ownmade.

2005-03-16 [Sunrose]: Okay, let me say it again: Is it own made? If yes, then it's allowed (except wiki-banners!).

2005-03-16 [Ihsahn]: gah >.>

2005-03-16 [Akurei_Kitsune]: But I had talked to [Rennie], whom explained that [Hedda] said that he doesn't wish to have any types of GIFs in houses, ownmade or not, because it slows down Elftowns servers and the computers of the members who are viewing that house.

2005-03-16 [Sunrose]: Hmm..he didn't say that, but they do slow down the servers.. :)

2005-03-16 [Akurei_Kitsune]: Yea. Maybe you should think about banning all GIFs, unless in Private Wikis, so that we could prevent that. It may help Elftown be a little faster.

2005-03-16 [Ihsahn]:  >.>

2005-03-16 [True, plain and simple]: Getting rid of animated images in houses all together wouldn't increase overall Elftown speed at all, and houses unnoticible amounts. The main issue is that they're annoying, and that people don't make them themselves. If you make it entirely, you, and only you, may use it. If it's really obnoxious, it goes bye-bye. That's it.

2005-03-16 [Akurei_Kitsune]: Guess that's true. But to prevent it all, you should even ban animated GIFs all together. And plus, the more people who help out the guards, the more we could prevent this as well.

2005-03-16 [Ihsahn]: erg >.>

2005-03-16 [True, plain and simple]: Why? An entire handful of people actually make their own. It's pretty obvious those that have made their own, and those that haven't. Banning them won't stop people from putting them up, anyway.

2005-03-16 [Akurei_Kitsune]: True. But it 'may' help. And even though they made it themselves, they should make a Wiki or something from it. Because the GIFs themselves slow down the computers of other members, some freezing.

2005-03-16 [Ihsahn]: Elftown was created for artists why deny them to put up animated GIfs they created themselves [Akurei_Kitsune]? their is no logical answer to that right now [Hedda] makes the rules we just follow them :)

2005-03-16 [True, plain and simple]: Having a ton of images on your page also slows members' computers down....Anyway, this discussion is over. Everything has been mentioned several times over; any additional comments on the topic will be deleted due to irrelevance.

2005-03-16 [Linn Scarlett]: you cant upload a dozen drawings in your bio and upload thingie, then why allow dozens of gifs?

2005-03-16 [Sunrose]: We don't allow a dozen of gifs.

2005-03-16 [nhd]: ... any more applications being accepted?

2005-03-16 [Tapestry of Destiny]: applications for what? I thought you couldn't apply to be a Patroller...

2005-03-16 [Sunrose]: You can't. We pick people who have made a lot of good reports.