2004-09-13 [deus-ex-machina]: and if it wasn't for the fact that he had such firm racist beliefs, he would have had such an amazing society on his hands.

2004-09-13 [Young J.C.]: Racist agaisnt just about everyone.

2004-09-13 [deus-ex-machina]: point being? lol

2004-09-13 [Young J.C.]: That's what made his racist point so strong!

2004-09-13 [deus-ex-machina]: ...pardon?

2004-09-13 [Young J.C.]: Yes?

2004-09-13 [deus-ex-machina]: you lost me a couple of comments back when you stopped making sense, sorry. would you explain what you mean?

2004-09-13 [Young J.C.]: What part?

2004-09-13 [deus-ex-machina]: 22:11:15 Jumpsteady: That's what made his racist point so strong! - I don't get that... where'd you get 'racist point' from?

2004-09-13 [Young J.C.]: You said he had strong racist beliefs.

2004-09-13 [deus-ex-machina]: oooh, yeah, i did. so you were just agreeing?

2004-09-13 [Young J.C.]: Yes. Pretty much. He was smart I suppose.

2004-09-13 [deus-ex-machina]: lol, got yah. nevermind what i said before. i just confused myself.

2004-09-13 [Young J.C.]: Haha... ok.

2004-09-14 [lostinspace]: OMG racist people are pissing me off this jackass wouldn't let me and my friends in a restarount because we were with a few black people im so mad this crap is STUPID!!!!

2004-09-14 [Young J.C.]: That is dumb!

2004-09-14 [lostinspace]: yea i know they are all retarded and i wish i could slap them. Things should change and change NOW!!!

2004-09-14 [Young J.C.]: Things should have never been like this from the beginning.

2004-09-14 [lostinspace]: Yes but we werewn't ther to influence the problem now we are and i know it will never be completely solved but we need to take action instead of talking about it!

2004-09-14 [Young J.C.]: What can we do?

2004-09-14 [Lioness123]: lostinspace, where are you from? That didn't happen in the USA did it??

2004-09-14 [lostinspace]: Yes!I'm from Bristol, Va. And all tehy are here are a bunch of freaking red neck jerk offs who don't deserve the respect of a cock roach and don't use the brains God gave em

2004-09-14 [lostinspace]: I don't know what we can do but we have to do something we can write a letter the whole wiki together I'll make a wiki for it and we'll send it to the senate or the president or something and we'll keep sending them until they do something!!!

2004-09-14 [a clockwork orange]: it won't work! trust me! i did something like that! at first they insulted me and then they ignored me! They don't care! we have to do sth by ourselves!

2004-09-14 [lostinspace]: fine then what should we do? All iknow os I feel helpless when we are treated like this and I don't wanna feel like that anymmore. I won't we have to do something

2004-09-14 [Lioness123]: That resturaunt could be in SERIOUS trouble if you reported them or something...you should do that. I would!

2004-09-14 [Lioness123]: thats entirely illegal what they did.

2004-09-14 [Lioness123]: Unless....they were acting in a way that would make the resturaunt kick them out, like cussing or other bad behavior

2004-09-14 [lostinspace]: these people are all out christians we were going to the restaraunt to hang out after helping my aunt wiht her sunday school preparations we help her out at church occasionally. We weren't even seated and we did report them. the owner wasn't there but when he found out he fired them but that still doesn't make them think what they did was wrong and with all the people that were in hearing distance someone shouldve done somehting i can't just sit here and wait for something to happen I have to make it happen i just don't know how. Any ideas?

2004-09-14 [deus-ex-machina]: if they were fired, that's all the owner could have done. if you do something, you're no better than they are. and if they did it in the first place, got fired and all, i think they would be more pissed off than apologetic. i mean, what reason do they have now to feel sorry?

2004-09-14 [lostinspace]: i don't care that tehy got fired im glad but its ot enough. I know the owner couldn't do any more than that and i'm not mad at him I'm actually quite thankful to him there are quite a few people that wouldn't have done any thing. I'm not saying they need to apologize for me to be happy i wouldn't expect jerks like that to, but i have to do something all they got was a slap on the wrist, they will find another job within days that probably pays better than that one did. These guys are all out jerks and they've always discriminated people its just annoying that they can get off so easy

2004-09-15 [deus-ex-machina]: So you're descriminating against racists. You know, that makes you no better than them at all. You're going to make them pay for some petty event. What good will it do?

2004-09-16 [lostinspace]: No i'm not racist against people until they disrespect me and my friends bcuz of our skin color or that of someone we hang out with and im not actually gona do something im just mad and need to fume. I just wish it would stop!

2004-09-18 [Pnelma Tirian]: I hate idiots that won't acknowledge they're wrong. Am I racist?

2004-09-18 [deus-ex-machina]: honestly, yes :P

2004-09-18 [Pnelma Tirian]: Well, then.

2004-09-19 [lostinspace]: well i know i was wrongbut i dont hate peoplefor their skin color, beleifs, or actions it just annoys me sometimes and i need to rant but just because i do so doesnt mean im racist!

2004-09-19 [deus-ex-machina]: i don't remember calling you racist.

2004-09-19 [lostinspace]: sorry i thought thats what the above message infered i apologize immensly

2004-09-23 [Aiel]: Why would they be afraid just because they´re racists? They just have another opinion, fear has othing to do with it as I see it...

2004-09-24 [lostinspace]: who said they were afraid i don't remember anyone saying they were scared

2004-09-24 [Noexistantanymo]: What are we so afraid of? Let me tell you, though you already know etc... *Look up above*

2004-09-24 [Blue Highway]: Hehe!! =^.^= Finally someone who actually READ what I've said there!! But maybe you ALL have...

2004-09-24 [Blue Highway]: I won't take part in any discussions here, have no time...but I'm REALLY enjoying the fact that it keeps the minds of so many people busy...that's very, very good!! Be proud of yourselves!!

2004-09-24 [lostinspace]: YAy am proud ok back to convo lol

2004-09-27 [Bye bye elftown]: I dont like the badge :-s

2004-09-28 [a clockwork orange]: If you want you can make one and add it to AR banners and use it, [Bye bye elftown]! =^_^=

2004-09-28 [lostinspace]: yay make us a new banner .... i personally like the one we have but whatever

2004-10-07 [My Mad World]: Made one!

2004-10-07 [My Mad World]: I like the new one. With the Palistinian! hahaha!

2004-10-07 [frank the bunny]: I thought the old picture was funny. Keep it on! [My Mad World] has a good idea there. I'm sure [Chitch] would agree. even [Glitter et Trauma] [Bonkers] and [master 3000] would like it.

2004-10-07 [Chitch]: The picture of the KKK hoods rule!! hahahahahahah!!! I don't condone it but I see the time and effort that must have been put into it and think it is fuuny as fuck!

2004-10-07 [lostinspace]: ok lol that's great lol

2004-10-22 [Elansor]: Where do i sign up!?

2004-10-22 [a clockwork orange]: Put your name up here AR list2. =^_^=

2004-10-22 [lostinspace]: hello

2004-10-22 [a clockwork orange]: hi!! how are you??

2004-10-22 [lostinspace]: me good. u?

2004-10-22 [a clockwork orange]: i'm fine!! thanx! so, did [My Mad World] destroied the Anti-KKK too?? or it had a password?

2004-10-22 [lostinspace]: What who destroyed what? SHIT!!

2004-10-22 [a clockwork orange]: read the comments somewhere in the middle of this page.

2004-10-22 [lostinspace]: on which one?

2004-10-22 [a clockwork orange]: this one: Anti-Racism

2004-10-22 [lostinspace]: what now i'm confused how has my mad world desroyed anything?

2004-10-27 [dominoe]: huh?

2004-10-27 [lostinspace]: i dont know lilith says [My Mad World]destroyed something but imconfused as to how and what?

2004-11-09 [a clockwork orange]: [lostinspace], sorry for not replying so long. Never mind what I said! Everything is ok! Sorry for upseting you!! =>.<=

2004-11-10 [Noexistantanymo]: Is the purpose of this wiki only to show that you are against it? Or do you actually discuss anything in here? :p

2004-11-10 [a clockwork orange]: The purpose is to discuss & to show. =^_~= But at the moment noone has to say sth. :/

2004-11-10 [lostinspace]: yep we discuss when people have topics to discuss

2004-11-10 [Blue Highway]: You want something interesting to discuss? Look at what is going on in the Netherlands at this moment. It causes quite a stir, society is all shook up. Everyone has SOME opinion. I guess Elftowners do too... Look here for instance: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3980371.stm

2004-11-10 [lostinspace]: ok h/o i will look

2004-11-10 [lostinspace]: DAMN

2004-11-10 [Blue Highway]: It's bad...but at least people are THINKING again. Thinking for THEMSELVES...and not just blindly following some 'movement' (political, religious, etc.) And THAT is exactly what Theo van Gogh has been trying to warn us about. So, in honour of him, and to not let his death be in vain, we should all start to THINK before judging. Look at things from all possible points of view. Know and understand ourselves and others, not just base our judgement upon a first impression.

2004-11-10 [lostinspace]: yep.

2004-12-24 [Sagacious Turkey]: I'm racist... of racists!!!

2004-12-24 [a clockwork orange]: That's not the best choice, but at least is something good for the begining..

2004-12-24 [Noexistantanymo]: And tell me, how do you plan to act against the racists in here? (Just wondering)

2004-12-24 [a clockwork orange]: What exactly do you mean by saying "here"?

2004-12-24 [Noexistantanymo]: ET

2004-12-24 [a clockwork orange]: ok! So, we can't do much here, but we can make ppl think, which is an important step! =^_~= In addition, we can provide discussions based on how each of us can stop the racism, at least in the area (or city) he/she lives. Of course, it's very difficult to do anything really effective, but we may find sth. Although ET is a community for everyone and it hasn't to do with racism, we have noticed that some members say they are racists. We talk to them sometimes (mainly, if they want to listen) in order to understand their positions and prove them that racism is wrong. This is not really enough, but what else we can do...?

2004-12-24 [Noexistantanymo]: Exactly my point, I like the idea about this wiki, so no offence.. But besides talking there's not much to do.. To go against Racists ppl need to act, not talk.. Don't evryone in here agree? I'm not a member here and don't want to be either, but i like to discuss with others, and racism is a very good subject to discuss...

2004-12-24 [deus-ex-machina]: Sorry, I've been watching this page for a while now and I think you can have your stance and everything - it's pretty cool. But people who ARE racist tend to have stronger rooted beliefs than you anti-racists. I admit I'm not all for an equal society, but NOT because I'm racist. I think a person should earn the right to be what they are. It annoys me that people in Britain can do less and claim they are being held back because of racism. I think it works both ways - but racism overall is a nasty thing and any anti-racism is a good thing, even if it achieves very little.

2004-12-24 [a clockwork orange]: To [Noexistantanymo]: Yes, I know that talking is not enough, we need action, but can you give me a solution to make it more effective and more active?

2004-12-24 [Noexistantanymo]: Well i could advertise a little for it after the holidays, seems to have a great effect when i do so.. :D Helped a couple of wikis to get started.. But i don't know how to make it effective... Give examples of what's good and bad in different countries/religions?

2004-12-24 [a clockwork orange]: To [deus-ex-machina]: Their beliefs are not stronger. They make them to seem like that. Firstly, their arguments are too poor to prove that racism is for good. Secondly, most of them follow the racist way, just to show they are different. I dissagree with you about the earning of the right to be what we are. Ppl have this right by the day they were born. People (& everything that exists) are free! It will achieve much more, just give it time! =^_~=

2004-12-24 [a clockwork orange]: To [Noexistantanymo]: This is a very good idea! =^_~= We could write about examples of what's good and bad in different countries/religions etc., but we must find someone with time on his/her hands and willing to do that. I have started to write sth here: Dark,dusty corners of my mind, but I havn't much time... :/

2004-12-24 [deus-ex-machina]: Are you saying someone from an ethnic minority who wants to be a forensic pathologist can be so because he wants to be one? When everyone else has to do 15 years or more training and then take a chance that they might actually get the job, just to start off? That is what I mean. Fuck the welfare state... Everyone works to be what they are. Sorry if I confused you, but that's what I meant.

2004-12-24 [deus-ex-machina]: And I am not a hardcore racist, but I could play devil's advocate and show you that their arguments aren't weak. You would be surprised how justified racism can be, since racism can be shown in many forms.

2004-12-24 [Noexistantanymo]: Argh, can't be bothered to check that wiki now >.< have to go soon and need to make the best of my time.. (Which means i don't feel like reading a lot on a wiki besides the comments right now)

2004-12-24 [a clockwork orange]: Answer to 15:26:07 comment: Look, [deus-ex-machina], this happens because the system wants things to be this way. Don't blame foreigners for things that the goverment is responsible for...//Answer to 15:27:23 comment: I know that sometimes their arguments seem to be strong, especially if they refer to economy problems of a country, but the answer must be searched for in the system...I don't mean that goverment is always responsible for what happens, but the most of times it does...

2004-12-24 [a clockwork orange]: To [Noexistantanymo]: ok! You can check it any time you want! =^_~= Just don't forget it! =^_^=

2004-12-24 [Noexistantanymo]: I won't... Have a nice day..

2004-12-24 [a clockwork orange]: Thank you! You, too! =^_^=

2004-12-24 [deus-ex-machina]: urm, darling, you're still misunderstanding me... i'm not blaming anyone. "I dissagree with you about the earning of the right to be what we are." = That suggests inequality the way you stated it. I'm saying people shouldn't be treated as equal regardless of anything. If people want to be rich, they should bloody work for it. It's nothing to do with the Government, it's to do with people's initiative. And still, you're misunderstanding and thinking of only certain situations. You're assuming that because you believe that no racism is morally right, it is correct. Others, like myself who are perfectly willing to disagree, will say otherwise and I doubt there's a case other than equality...

2004-12-24 [deus-ex-machina]: ...that you can mention that will make you right. Racism expands beyond the government to the individual.

2004-12-24 [a clockwork orange]: ok! Finally, I got your point! =^_~= You're right...Even though, I would rather a society of "equal economical level", but it's another issue... I like that you dissagree with me, because I NEVER learnt something new from someone who AGREE with me... Anyway! I partly agree with that: Racism expands beyond the government to the individual. Because, sometimes government hides behind the social problems.

2004-12-26 [stubborn suicide]: i think your just a little niglet

2004-12-26 [a clockwork orange]: who's niggly (if you mean this word)?

2005-01-05 [lostinspace]: lol hilo

2005-01-05 [a clockwork orange]: hi! how are you??

2005-01-05 [lostinspace]: I'm good.u?

2005-01-05 [a clockwork orange]: I'm fine! thanx!=^_^= what's new?

2005-01-06 [lostinspace]: nuthin septin couple fights with a couple people and finding out a few things I DIDN"T want to know!!

2005-01-12 [Lost_soul_of BrandonLee2]: Hello!

2005-01-13 [a clockwork orange]: hi! how are u?

2005-01-16 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: <new member Hello! I have a question...why are middle easterns getting it rough over here? they didnt do nething on 9/11--terrorists did...so why are american immagrants getting harassed?

2005-01-16 [deus-ex-machina]: Over here? Urgh, world wide used internet community here! I take it you mean America, due to the 'tone' of the post. And my guess is that Americans aren't as well informed as they should be on matters in the war? Perhaps it's hard for some Americans to understand that when they go to war with a couple of countries in a region, the whole area isn't exactly full of terrorists.

2005-01-16 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: I guess so...and i did notice that i said that in my other post and that's why I said "american immagrents"--I dont nw...people in America are stupid..most of hem...I'll admi that. but my boyfried is from Syria and he had to change to the school we goto now because he was being harassed everyday at his old school. now people say things to him out of the blue n the halls like "Are you gonna be a suicide bomber when you row up?" or they grab his arm and say "Tell us where he is now! It's insane!

2005-01-16 [deus-ex-machina]: You edited your post, and you spelt immigrants wrong.

2005-01-16 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: yeah i was just typing quick to get the point in and i didnt care about the spelling...i mean i figured you'd get the point if the words were close enough to the right spelling!

2005-01-16 [deus-ex-machina]: lol, yeah, and it sucks that he was picked on... especially for being Syrian. Although words wouldn't affect me much, they can get depressing. Was he physically harassed?

2005-01-16 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: kind of...like i said people will grab him and stop him in the halls and some times this same kid come up to him and punches him on the arm and says "you gonna go have a tea party with BinLaden later or are you gonna go bomb some buildings?" God it gets so out of hand some times i cry for him...i feel bad for him and im just glad that he doesnt judge me by what other Americans are doing...I hate people who do that...Wow! I'm glad i have some where i can vent all these feelings now!

2005-01-16 [Blue Highway]: I almost can't believe that things like these actually happen..but they do, in my country too.. It makes one feel very helpless and angry about this stupid and hurting injustice. How did you and your boyfriend react? How do you stand tall in a situation like that?

2005-01-16 [~*~Tinkerbell~*~]: hey may i please join this wiki?

2005-01-17 [Blue Highway]: Sure! Just add your name to AR list3! You are very welcome!

2005-01-17 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: He gets pissed and he almost went off a couple times but the thing is he could get in trouble for doing what he'd really like to do...I had to hold him back and tell him that they weren't worth it and that I'm there and i understand that he's mad but he cant do anyhting or he'll regret it. I really do want hurt them...i know neither of us can.

2005-01-17 [~*~Tinkerbell~*~]: thanks!!!!!!!!

2005-01-18 [lostinspace]: hello

2005-01-19 [~*~Tinkerbell~*~]: hi! lol

2005-01-20 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: HIYA!

2005-01-20 [~*~Tinkerbell~*~]: lol whats up?

2005-02-07 [Dragonite]: what I really, really dislike is when the minority is protected and then they are racist against the people who were racist against them.

2005-02-07 [Dragonite]: and then the people who the minority are racist to try to defend themselves they are called racists

2005-02-07 [deus-ex-machina]: that is the only reason i would feel hatred on terms of race (i would say racism, but to me, that means screaming obscenities at someone)

2005-02-07 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: I do not hate one race, I may hate one PERSON in a certain race but I hate no one race and hate anyone who does...cause frankly it's just stupid, I mean a whole race of people didnt do something to you to make you hate a person, that one person is the only one who did anything....so why hate anyone else but that one person? Did that make sense to anyone? hehe

2005-02-14 [stahp]: i dont want to sound like a pussy but where all human we should be treated equal

2005-02-15 [~*~Tinkerbell~*~]: rasism is gay its just shows your weakness if you underestimate someone your gonna quickly get pushed under

2005-02-15 [deus-ex-machina]: did you mean to use gay as a derogatory term or did you delibrately mean to contradict yourself in the same post? :P

2005-02-15 [~*~Tinkerbell~*~]: lol no im not ageinst homosexuals i am just one of thoughs pplz who have gay as a different meaning but i guess its not exactly spread far from my small little home town...gay in my book means stupid ironic and has nothing to do with homosecual tendencys i hope i didnt affend anyone mater of fact my frine lynn is homosexual

2005-02-15 [deus-ex-machina]: lol - we use gay here the same way, i think most of the UK does, but lol, i just kind of found it ironic in that comment you made :P i find it hard though, i grew up where 'gay' was the best way of offending someone when at times... and now, talking to gay people, i find it hard not to just say 'gay' :P it's the only reason i picked it out, because i'm so conscious of it myself :D

2005-02-15 [~*~Tinkerbell~*~]: lol im not im very blunt my one strongest weakness i never think before i speak but i find it that if pplz dont know what i mean the either a hate me forever or b look at me like im the biggest idiot and laugh b/c they know i dont know what the hell im talking about

2005-02-18 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: all of my friends are getting fed up with me because I tell them not to use "gay" or "fag" as insults because I myself am a bisexual (and proud of it thanks) and they sit there and when i say something stupid they say "man renae you're gay".....duh! I hate when people say that to insult others though because really its not its just a sexual prefrence...you know?

2005-02-18 [Elansor]: I had a mate who had the same thing happen to them. It's not cool. People are very insencitave, but most grow out of it, some don't, but most do.

2005-02-18 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: ok i have a problem and i cant talk to anyone that is intelegent enough in person but i need to vent...hope you dont mind!  OK so I know i talk about my boyfriend a bit and you guys know he's middle eastern...but now i find out that one of his teachers is racist and he is also the soccer coach...that teacher/coach won't let mousa(my bf) on the soccer team and is failing him even though he should be passin because his homework and tests in his class are all B or above...the teacher sdmited that he is racist to the principle and they havent done a thing...do you think he should be able to continue to teach?

2005-02-18 [deus-ex-machina]: yes, if he is a competant teacher, but he should be... rehabilitated?... on the way he should treat children even if he hates them by principle. maybe your boyfriend isn't good enough for the soccer team, but with his grades, he deserves to pass.

2005-02-18 [Elansor]: no, if there going to let something like somes ones nasonality have an afect on there grade, then there unsuitable as a teacher!

2005-02-18 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: my bf has been 3rd best soccer player on the team since his freshman year and is now a senior...he got his letter as a sophmore and this new racist teacher takes the old coach's place and all of a sudden Mousa's not good enough? That's bull shit

2005-02-18 [deus-ex-machina]: but he's obviously getting away with it. he should be supervised and as i said, he should go on some kind of course to overcome the feelings. the feelings aren't easy to just drop. but he should be allowed to teach as it's his job and because he is racist, doesn't mean his entire lifestyle should be ruined.

2005-02-18 [deus-ex-machina]: well, you didn't say that before? ;)

2005-02-18 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: i know what you're saying but i mean if him being racist is affecting someone who has full potential as a student then he should not be able to teach...idk does anyone else know what im saying?

2005-02-18 [deus-ex-machina]: i understand your point. just out of interest, honestly, do the rest of the team get on with your boyfriend?

2005-02-18 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: what do you mean? (sorry a bit slow today)

2005-02-18 [deus-ex-machina]: well, soccer is a team sport. you can't be hostile or arrogant towards the rest of the team. and the team can't be hostile towards him, otherise there wouldn't be any point putting him on the team regardless of his individual abilities.

2005-02-18 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: well the team members get along fine with Mousa but the thing is that the team consisted of very few white people so most of the team didnt get on again anyway...they had to get a whole new team practicly...im not so much worried about the team as much as i am about the grades though

2005-02-18 [~*~Tinkerbell~*~]: hey im not meaning gay like in the sexual tense but i see your point

2005-02-21 [GleamofDreams]: yay i joined another wiki. ummm, but im wondering what descrimination against preps or goths, ect. has to do with racism, because that has nothing to do with race... do i have to explain myself because i could go on...

2005-02-21 [Blue Highway]: No, you are right about what you are saying. But that is the nice thing about this wiki: it forces people to look further than just race, skincolor, etc. They start realising that maybe they are not RACISTS, but they DO discriminate against people that are different from themselves and from what is familiair to them. Racism is just ONE form of discrimination.

2005-02-21 [Blue Highway]: Some people carry on a strong campaign against RACISM, and meanwhile, they discriminate others on account of the way they dress, their ideals or religious convictions...they are doing exactly the same thing a racist does, only for another reason than RACE...but the main reason stays the same: they can't accept the fact that not all people are like them.

2005-02-21 [Blue Highway]: Maybe we SHOULD change the name of this wiki into Anti Discrimination Wiki :) And maybe we should also be aware of the right use of words like 'equal' and 'equivalent'. All men are equivalent, but certainly NOT equal..! I mean...I'm not YOU, am I..? Fortunately, there are no human clones yet...

2005-02-21 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: relating to that question about if descrimination towards goths or preps or any other group is the same a racism...i dont really think it is because prep or goth are not races they're classifications and lables so therefore cannot be the same as racism...am i making sense?

2005-02-21 [Blue Highway]: Yes, from a 'technical' point of view, you make sense. Only, I wonder if racists would care about this 'trivial' difference. A Goth or Prep has a choice, and can lay off this label, but one can't lay off his race. The way of thinking, that anything that is different is automatically less, wrong, objectionable, scary and not worth knowing...THAT doesn't make sense, according to me... It seems rather...silly, short-sighted. One who thinks that way is deliberately narrowing his own world.

2005-02-21 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: well i see where you are coming from but i still must stand with my belief...im sorry but it makes more sense to me...I do understand tho!

2005-02-21 [Blue Highway]: Err...I didn't read the whole discussion above...it seems like I'm missing something here...what IS your belief? You have something against goths and preps? Fill me in!

2005-02-21 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: no no...i am gothic in a way but I am saying that calling someone goth or punk or prep is not racism but is intsead grouping and clasifying and goth and prep is not a RACE so there for is not racism

2005-02-21 [Noexistantanymo]: Interesting discussion.. o.o

2005-02-21 [Blue Highway]: oooh...NOW I get your point! No, CALLING someone a goth or prep is not racism. And neither is CALLING someone a Turk, Arab, etc. If indeed he or she IS... But it's a lot nicer to call someone by his NAME, don't you think..? ;) It's strange how words that describe someones nationality suddenly can become so 'burdened', you know what I mean? (My english isn't as great as I'd want it to be...)

2005-02-21 [Slade]: the definition of racism has expanded, I know it includes race and religion it could include ‘labels’. Calling someone a goth or punk or prep isn't even discrimination - Punk is not an offensive term, and your only offended by something like that if your not a punk etc. Although discriminating goths etc for simply being goths is almost the same as racism...but probably more bigotry than racism or something.

2005-02-23 [The real life Bella Swan]: Its more of bigotry than anything else. That's kinda stange that people look at it that way, I never realized that. Though it still ins't really nice to judge someone and label them right from the starting point, I mean, that's just not cool.

2005-02-24 [Andris the Magic Swordsman]: <_< >_>

2005-02-24 [Noexistantanymo]: O.o

2005-02-27 [Moosey]: i like it here

2005-02-27 [Blue Highway]: Hi y'all! I like it here too! Here you can find some very interesting discussions, as on AR list1,AR list2 and AR list3...the last discussion on AR list3 resulted in another interesting wiki (read the comments..) that is called Not a laughing matter! It's new, no discussions yet, but you might find it interesting to take a look and sign the N.a.l.m.! Support-list...

2005-02-27 [Moosey]: my computers stupid and wont let me

2005-02-27 [Blue Highway]: What? It won't let you sign?? Or it won't let you visit the wiki?? You got a racist computer?? Hehe!!

2005-02-27 [Moosey]: it wont let me go to some links it drives me nuts!

2005-02-27 [Blue Highway]: Yes, I'm having that same problem sometimes when I try to skip from my message box to a memberpage or a wiki page... But if you are interested, you can also read the latest diary note on my page, the text is the same as the one in the wiki. I wonder how other people feel about this subject...

2005-02-27 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: I have reasently had an insite to myself and realized how crapy i've been to be labling people as jocks, preps, goths, punks and all that...its a long story but heres a web site for ya! I dont know if its onlly english of what but you can try www.challengeday.org it changed my life for ever when these wonderful people came and made me realize that i was being stupid and ignorant which i hate the most!

2005-02-27 [Blue Highway]: Hey...this is good...thank you!

2005-02-27 [Moosey]: im here because people like that drive me nuts, im labled as a goth, but i hang out with anyone i conceder a friend and that includes all the 'preps' 'jocks' and all that some of my best frinds are 'preps' and every day at lunch i eat with about 2 'geeks' 5 swimmers- im noy sure what you would call them-and 7 preps (no were not all at the same table)

2005-02-28 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: welcome to my club but i am not that crazy about lables anymore (for reasons read my last post) but i am what people like to call "gothic" even tho i am more on the "punk" side...idk i like to consider my self alternative...i guess...idk I'll be putting up a pic soon and you can decide!

2005-02-28 [~*~Tinkerbell~*~]: why lable yourlself or others? i find it kinda stupid really we are all the same thing....people

2005-02-28 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: yeah this is true!

2005-03-01 [~*~Tinkerbell~*~]: lol yea buddy

2005-03-03 [Kayne]: Yup. I'll even add to that. We are all animals. Let's not call a dog a dog cause it's - like us - an animal. People are different and everyone labels, and that is how it should be. Deal.

2005-03-03 [¤ WORLDS ¤happiest¤ EMO ¤™]: never thought of it that way but sure...

2005-03-04 [~*~Tinkerbell~*~]: yea but i dont call a dog a dog as a bad thing its its species lik ewe are human that lableing makes sence so we know what we are talking about but yes i believe in animal rights also

2005-03-04 [Kayne]: *After translating what Luvergurl said*: And I call a "goth" aa "goth" so I know what I'm talking about. i too believe in animal rights, but I also believe the specie human has more right than the other animals.

2005-03-04 [Slade]: To me labels are just another way to divide "classes" of people and promotes unnecessary discrimination-I dunno about anywhere else but here “goths” and “chavs” hate each other for just being goths and chavs. I just don’t see why you have to give people labels to know what/who you’re talking about, I thought names and such were enough. 

2005-03-04 [deus-ex-machina]: I'm sure they don't hate each other just for the labels. They hate each other for what the labels stand for. You don't hate neo-nazis because the name offends you, you hate neo-nazis because of what they believe and stand for.

2005-03-05 [Slade]: yeah I guess thats right, but with all the different preconceptions and stereotypes of "labels" its hard to tell what they stand for. Though I see your point

2005-03-06 [~*~Tinkerbell~*~]: humans are just having there dominate fase i mean we wherent always top of the food chain you know

2005-03-07 [lostinspace]: That's why you need to get past the sterotypes and labels and get to understand the ppl before judging or better yet don't judge at all it's not our place to do so

2005-03-07 [deus-ex-machina]: Of course it's our place. We base every single relationship on judgement. Perhaps we should keep our judgments to ourselves, but if you didn't judge people, you'd probably follow the knife weilding person who walks around part dressed talking to himself. It's for protection, if anything. And when we weren't on top of the foodchain, we generally weren't upright or what we are now.

2005-03-07 [lostinspace]: 1- I don't mean going as far as following around a mass murderer but damn you could use common sense when reading suggestions DUHHHHHH! 2- Please don't tell me you believe in evolution? 3- God created us as superior creatures we've always been "top dogs' so to speak

2005-03-07 [deus-ex-machina]: Why should I NOT believe in Evolution? It's not as if there's no proof it exists and that the proof saying it isn't real can actually be proven itself. If you want to have that belief - please do - but don't disrespect mine. But still... we do have the right to judge, because without judgement, we wouldn't form any relationships. Without it, we wouldn't take that initial step. And I did use common sense, it's just that what you said... was kind of stupid. :)

2005-03-07 [deus-ex-machina]: Plus it looks as if you've just judged me for not believing that God made us all. Way to go.

2005-03-07 [lostinspace]: I didn't judge you I made a statement in no way was that judgement and I apologize that you took it that way. Do you not pay attention to every day life? I mean come on they just found a 4 million old skeleton that are completely up right! And also they have found a dinosaur foot print with a human foot print inside dated at the same time the dino foot print was made. Which verifies that humans where around in dinos times.... explain that smarty!!!

2005-03-07 [deus-ex-machina]: ...I believe I already said that no proof has been used to prove it. I've heard about the second story... There's no conclusive proof even if it does make creationists jump for joy. And I wouldn't believe everything I heard. 4 million? Hmmmm.

2005-03-08 [~*~Tinkerbell~*~]: was the earth even capable of holding life then? i mean it was just a big ball of fire...and THAT was proven it took a LONG time for the earth to be capable of holding life

2005-03-08 [deus-ex-machina]: the only reason i would see a need for a 'God', would be the Design theory to some degree... and that initial energy that could have sparked off the Big Bang. Everything else... well, I either don't feel God is a part of the solution, or I don't care. :P

2005-03-08 [Splintered_tears]: Heyz!..... Wow?!.... okay, ummmm i've read over this and i just want you guys to know that what lostinspace said up there is fact. To deus-ex-michina, you're entitled to your opinion, but there is proof that you can trace back to prove evolution is totally untrue. If you look at the big pic. of course instead of what you hear from one point of view.... evolutionist say that in earlier times all of the earths lands were connected and to expain the continents to day they say..... oh, there was a huge earthquake that caused or some even say that a huge ice burge melted and caused it but.... (brb)

2005-03-08 [Kayne]: Fuck off Tears. The continent split up by the same reason earthquakes and vulcanos happen. By the big plates underneath the earth surface. Not because of earthquakes. And there isn't any proof that there wasn't evolutution besides faith. Deal.

2005-03-08 [Kayne]: And also they have found a dinosaur foot print with a human foot print inside dated at the same time the dino foot print was made. I haven't followed this up but I thought the explenation was that the footprint was in fact years later.

2005-03-08 [Splintered_tears]: If you read the bible it has a section on the great flood and it says that water poured out frome the gates of heaven and gushed up throught the earth. Now.... being at school i don't have time to get bible out and look up exact words and quotes but, from what i've been studying in biology and in the bible.... that everything can be traced back to the flood.... the Grand Canyon, Great Barrior reef, humans, ect. It's all relevant.... and if you would investigate for yourself i bet you'd totally change your opinion.

2005-03-08 [Kayne]: Now there is a book full of interesting facts. The bible. Grand canyon => erosie (I have no idea what that is in English.) Humans => evolution (*gasp*) , Great Barrior reef => Thing next to Australia?

2005-03-08 [Splintered_tears]: have you even taken' any time to study earthquakes and volcanoes? Or are you just following the leader and believing all that shit that evolutionist think happened?.... if you read into it after the so called evolutionist found this evidence they basically droped the case altogether.... i believe it's b/c they're afraid of the truth.... they're afraid of the truth that they could be and are wrong!

2005-03-08 [Splintered_tears]: And like i said kaynec..... you are entitled to your own opinion.... it's your soul and don't judge me for my opinions either!

2005-03-08 [Kayne]: I tend to learn geography on school. Nope I haven't study an earthquake and a volcanoe from up close, have you? A scientist likes to find out that he is wrong. That means he has discovered something new. Btw, science tend to evolve. Religion doesn't. And they didn't drop the case abour earthquakes and volcanoes, they have discovered how they work and moved on. Why bother when you know something?

2005-03-08 [Splintered_tears]: Oh.... and for your information the Grand Canyon was formed by erosion but not over billions of years. Duh! when the flood waters started to drain off into the sea after thge flood the force of the water caused to the erosion..... and the Grand canyon was formed!!! (in days not billions of years!!!)