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The Shaolin palm strike and Tai-Chi's puch



In the internal Martial Arts it's very usual to be noticed puch moves with the palm of the hand, but it's not the same as the palm strike of Shaolin, thou it looks very similar.
The palm strike of Shaolin is a strike flat with the palm of the hand, but different from a puch, it is like a punch! To be able to perform the palm strike the fighter must have very strong hand and fingers in order to reach the steady and hard position of the hands to perform a strike like a hammer. The effect is destructive!
The puch seen in Tai-Chi-Chuan is different from the palm strike because it's not a punch, it's intention is to launch the enemy away. You must have somewhat strong finger for this one too since the puch is based in a graduate aplying of the stenght. I don't think I'll be able to completely describe the move, so I'll leave for you to study and train the technic.
The puch graduate aplying of strenght is based on the fingers. You touch the target with your fingers first, then you use the palm. Keep your fingers firm, but not hard, in order to aply the strenght as a spring, gradualy, and not to break or hurt your fingers. Try it! Use a door or your younger brother. lol
To perform a puch with the two hands is the same way, but another thing is usefull to understand and practice: the move should be slightly going from down to up, like a wave hitting a rock. With the proper understanding, training and Chi energy use the masters say the target could fly for more than 6 meters!
For both technics the Chi energy is widely used. For the push I think the better would be to launch it through your harms to give impulse. The intention is not to hurt the target so it may not be used to launch the Chi energy to your target.
The aply of Chi energy on the palm strike is 90% what makes it usefull and famous. Since with closed hand as in a punch the Chi energy finds difficulties to leave the hand. I think the energy should shoot all the way throught the arms in an spiral and end up as a terrible screw form, dealing much damage to any kind of target, be it alive or inanimate. It sounds like legend thou. ^^'

[Erestor]

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2005-02-12 [M_Sinner]: Yes, but keep in mind while practicing that, when finishing the punch, your arm should be almost perfectly straight, with a slight bend at the elbow. The stretch between your two striking knuckles and your elbow should be as straight as a steel bar to avoid breaking the wrist. The punch should come straight out fromthe "loaded position" (from the side or hip, ussually) and the elbow should drag along your side gently until the last moment, in which you rotate the fist as it strikes. If moving, your feet should be firmly planted, and your forward hip should fall into position as te punch is turning. This adds the maximum energy (without chi)to your punch, getting rid of the enemy.

2005-02-12 [M_Sinner]: Srry... got a little into the description as taught to me... I guess that it's more of a description for those who are seeking to learn from scratch rather than those who are building upon earlier education... Lol. What I didn't have room to say is that this punch is intended more for the use of pushing an opponent away than hurting them (as described in the text).

2005-03-06 [Opened my veins for nothing]: okay how would one keep their fingers strong?

2005-03-11 [M_Sinner]: Squeeze tennis balls... punch a punching bag and the like... y'know, these acadamies seem thoroughly inactive... I posted those two comments about a month ago, and no one has so much as made the slightest comment on them.

2005-05-15 [Sumin15]: I realize its been a while since the comments above were posted, but I found them useful

2005-05-15 [Sumin15]: so thanks

2005-05-16 [M_Sinner]: You're welcome! I was starting to wonder if everyone had died in some huge martial arts fight or something. Lol, J/K.

2009-11-15 [manwe]:

ahhhh geeeeze.....
editing problems aside, the person who is presenting this nonsense is obviously NOT a martial artist of much experience and even less knowledge. 

further, "m_sinner" while your description of the punch is essentially correct, you do NOT hyper extend the arm and lock the elbow. ONLY beginners in certain japanese styles start out that way, but as they progress, they learn NOT to do this. 

i do not know what styles and what levels you people are, but this is not valid information you are getting, here. further, it is a disservice and dangerous to mislead people in this manner.

as for strengthening your fingers, there are many ways. a good and simple way would be pushups on your fingers. after you can do 100 standard pushups (with elbows to your sides, NOT out) then start using ONLY your 5 fingers, extended, but not locked. it should be curved such that an egg could fit under the arch. (in point of fact, that was a test. put an egg under the arch of the fingers and do the pushups without crushing the eggs) when you can do 100 in THAT manner, then remove 1 finger (start with the little finger) and so on, until you are able to do 100 pushups on just your first finger and thumb.

another "shaolin" practice is to get a large pot (like a huge flower pot) of clean sand, and continually "stab" your fingers into to it, alternating hands, much like a punch.

other exercises are simple weight lifting with just your fingers. carrying buckets of water using ONLY your fingers, with your arms outstretched, not only strengthens the fingers, but the arms and back, as well as the thighs. you can also accomplish this in the "horse stance" (or "4 level" stance).

these martial arts classes groups need some instructors and people who know some real and true answers....

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