2006-06-03 [xX.//Standing Up From Underneath//.Xx]: That's the world.

2006-06-03 [Jeesum Crowe]: ....Not really... A lot of things in the world & the people that practice them aren't hypocritical. In fact, most peple like to avoid being hypocritical. Your blatant hypocracy defiles your whole message, it's null and void because you do to others what they do to you. You get what you give, karma, 'treat others how you would like to be treated.' Don't be an asshole & then complain when others are assholes to you.

2006-06-03 [Jeesum Crowe]: Also, 'fat' and 'ugly' aren't labels, they're observations. You can't say something stupid like "Just because I have excess fat all over my body doesn't mean I'm fat," like ya'll do that "Just because I wear all black and chains and heavy eyeliner and BLAH BLAH BLAH doesn't mean I'm Goth," thing. Fat and Ugly aren'ts subcultures. There is no group of ugly kids who hang out in front of the guidance office at lunch, and there is no group of fat kids who eat cake together under the bleachers every Saturday night. Again, they are not labels.

2006-06-03 [Jeesum Crowe]: By the by, that 'soup can' quote. Are ya'll going to recognize it's a QUOTE from a man by the name of Anthony Rapp or are ya'll going to pretend you made it up or something?

2006-06-05 [xX.//Standing Up From Underneath//.Xx]: Using your same example... you don't find "the stupid kids" hanging out in front of that office, or eating cake under the bleachers. Stupid isn't a label, it's an insult. You can't annotate every single person's definition of stupid, thus it's not a label. Labeling comes from everyone's common conseption of a person by their appearence and behavour. If you wear black, heavy eyeliner, chains... blah, blah, blah... then people can precive that you are goth. But they don't KNOW for sure... they're just assuming. That's labeling. So, hell. We can insult.

2006-06-05 [Jeesum Crowe]: Yes. You can define someone as stupid by their behaviour, stupid. Stupid and fat and ugly are different things. Fat and ugly are obvious PHYSICAL characteristics. I could not be wrong in saying someone is FAT, it would be a) my opinion and b) therefore, true (at least to me.) You couldn't prove me wrong or whine about it because you ARE or ARE NOT fat and/or ugly and this can be determined SOLELY by physical appearance, while calling someone STUPID because of one act would be labelling them under the category of 'stupid' while you don't really know this person. Thus, calling someone fat/ugly = not labelling, calling someone stupid = labelling.

2006-06-05 [Jeesum Crowe]: You don't KNOW for sure if I am stupid, you are assuming because of one act. Therefore, by your definition, you are labelling me. So, hell. Stop being a hypocrite.

2006-06-05 [Jeesum Crowe]: Not everyone's definition of 'goth' or 'punk' or 'prep' is the same, by the way. Thinking they are would be a misconception.

2006-06-06 [xX.//Standing Up From Underneath//.Xx]: The insult 'Stupid' is someone's preception of one's action... not behaviour. Behaviour is constant repetive action. Someone is not stupid in all senses for smashing his hand in a door to see what would happen. That's stupid. It's not a label on the person so much as the action. But should he behave like that all the time, smashing himself with things on purpose as a sport, then-- well, you'd say he'd need therepy. Which is off the point I'm trying to make.

2006-06-06 [Jeesum Crowe]: Yes, 'preception.' That's totally a word. Behaviour is not a constant repetitive action, doll. Behaviour is the way one behaves, the way on acts & reacts. If one were labelling the 'action' of labelling others, one would say 'Don't Label Me, It's Stupid,' or 'Don't Label Me, That's Stupid,' not 'Don't Label Me, Stupid.' And if one were to behave like that all the time, because he needs therapy (and thereby has some sort of mental issue) he would not be stupid, he would have a mental problem. The fact is, you're bullshitting this because you know that this name hypocritical and you don't want to admit it.

2006-06-08 [xX.//Standing Up From Underneath//.Xx]: It's an abbrieviated form. It's modern english. Jumping from 14ft up a tree and landing in a pile of leaves, my friends said: "Don't do that, stupid." That doesn't mean they were calling me stupid as labeling me on everything. Or at all. It was my action they were refering to. An american sloppy way of saying: "Don't do that, it's stupid." You're going to have to open up your mind a little JC, cause I've tried every way to explain this. But you're not seeming to get it. I'm running out of examples.

2006-06-08 [Jeesum Crowe]: No, I'm pretty sure when I say to someone 'Don't do that, stupid,' I'm calling them stupid. I'm going to have to open up my mind? Darling, you belong to a wiki that's against labelling because you think it's discriminatory. That's narrow minded. You wouldn't know discrimination if you were a black Jew in Germany circa 1940, AKA if it hit you over the head.

2006-07-11 [immortal daydreams.]: This wiki, as I understood it, was about people's opinions. "Stupid", as AH stated, is NOT in itself a label. If you call someone "stupid" it's an insult. If you call the person wearing black, heavy eyeliner, chains, blah blah blah, a goth, then, well, that's a stereotype. The name could be taken to be hypocrytical, AH, but JC, are you just here to stir up trouble? "Stupid", like I said, is an insult, not a stereotype. It could be used to stereotype someone, but it is not in itself a stereotype. JC, is it really necessary to pick apart on English grammar issues? 'Perception' and 'Preception'; r and e are right next to each other on the keyboard, it's an easy mistake.

2006-07-11 [immortal daydreams.]: So you should probably just lay off, because I could continue on this debate as long as necessary. Even though this is an opinionated wiki, I don't think it was meant to be a spot for someone to just stir up trouble in debate.

2006-07-11 [immortal daydreams.]: Also, JC, I noticed that you describe yourself in your profile as "more punk than you will ever be", which is a stereotype. Why would you come to an anti-stereotype wiki, then?

2006-07-16 [Jeesum Crowe]: Dude, dig a little further. I have a pro-stereotype wiki. I am a Metonymite. I come to an anti-stereotype wiki to see what kind of weak arguments you propose. And by calling someone stupid for one isolated act (such as labelling) you would be judging them. Judging is labelling. Labelling, to you strange people, is in some way bad. I'm just saying : Don't be hypocritical. Also, you point out that "more punk than you will ever be" is stereotyping. But that's labelling myself, is it not? Which all of these banners seem to go for. "...I can label myself." Again, you're not being consistent.

2007-10-30 [_Einsam_Ein_]: and again you are all being stupid and arguing over something that has been argued about long enough. both of you should open your mind and think about this for a second... i wear clothing that would consist of what you keep describing as "goth" but i also wear clothing that the cheerleaders in my school would consider "preppy" does this then mean that as on the days i am wearing my chains i am a "goth" and on the days i am dressed up girly does this also then mean that i am a "prep"? before you get all pissy about stereotypes how about you think about that for a second? 

2007-12-23 [Killopkie]: everyone thinks they are absolutely right and they probably are, but that is throwing facts around and usually just causes the opposition to go on the defensive, making them even more convinced that they are absolutely right. So, you are right and you are right and he is right and that guy over there is right, but everyone thinks that the other is wrong, therefore causing no learning until somebody submits and only the person that submits will learn anything, because he/she will be the only one listening and not trying to disproove the opposition who is completely convinced beyone the shadow of a doubt that he is right, completely defeating the purpose and giving the two or more oppositions that have not the will to submit bad will tward eachother, even though they are on the same subject and enjoy talking about the same thing.
Haha! rant

2007-12-24 [Venus 53]: yay rant =)
and good point, of course =P

2008-04-28 [NukleaЯ EveЯgloW™]: Hey, [Jeesum Crowe]. About the 'not being consistent' deal...It's about not liking people labeling us. Not about us not liking our own labels we give ourselves, now that would be an inane action wouldn't it? Hating the label we give ourselves. The world is full of double-standards. Deal with it. We can label ourselves but you can't label us. Also, just because you judge someone, doesn't mean you label someone. labeling someone is putting someone in a stereotype. Judging someone is just acknowledging their characteristics and saying whether or not you like em. Labeling someone is putting someone in a group. get your words straight.

2009-07-03 [RaydensFyre]: im perfectly fine with being labeled......everyone is entitled to their opinions...as I am to mine....so label away at me peeps! Im an easy target.....