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Motherland:Alpha version.
This is the Alpha home page for Motherland.It is obviuosly none-spiffy and stuff becuase this is merely the first of 2-3 shells that will be applied to the RP as development continues.for now this wiki will be used for posting up news on the development,and for links to parts of the RP currently being worked on.expect the links to be empty for a few days as the problems with the numerical systems of the game have not been worked out due to lack of volunteers and having to do most,actually all,of this by myself.if someone could see it in their heart to help out little ol' me,drop me a line.I have ALOT of jobs available for people with ideas,people with time on their hands,and people good with photo-editing.

Thanks in advance,and i really hope you all enjoy the end result,
[Sedition]


~*=News=*~
<img:http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/Alex7988/LebanonOWNED.jpg>
10/31/2006:Hello everyone,today is the first day of Motherland taking on a physical form in a wiki,as it now enters Alpha staging.basiclly Alpha staging is when i start setting up the infrastructure for everyone to see.infrastructure is basiclly all the links and basic layout for the wiki as a whole.at the end of making the layout,the numerical systems for things like squad points,the unit system,and the chain of command will be put into place.After that,then myself and those who volunteered for photo editing will be setting up the battlefield of North America.When this is all said and done the wiki will get a seriuos face lift and beta phase will begin.beta phase is when a test round of the game will be run,testing out everything and making sure the game is balanced out and no one faction is going to spend its time getting mopped across the floor.when everything is checked out the game will be released to the general public (as of now,only volunteers and reservist will be able to participate in the beta) and those who have reserved an account before beta phase will receive their point bonuses when they start off round 1 of Motherland.

11/2/2006:With the increasing arrival of people coming in,both as players and volunteering as staff,i will now start handing out assignments to my volunteers so we can hurry up and get alpha phase done and move into the beta shell of this wiki.i still havent finished the sub wiki links below,but im working on it.

11/7/2006:sorry for the development delay,college has had me a little held up,but no worries,development is still going on regardless.updates on links will be said here in the news section(unless you seriuosly want to watch every single page).A FAQ section will soon be going up to adress alot of the questions i have been asked by others.and the ranking system is now available inside the resources area,and the unit descriptions will soon go up either today or tomorrow.

11/8/2006:work mapping out the units and their stats has began,and you can keep track of my progress by going to the resources section,then the units section.at the moment im currently working on the United States of America units section,so stop by there to get an idea of whats to come,though just so you know,the progressive with the US army section isent even halfway done (i havent even finished the infantry section)

11/16/2006:tomorrow is a busy day for the gaming world with the luanch of the ps3,however im a dirt poor prolish boy,so that has nothing to do with me.conversly,a much needed update is coming within the day,the addition of the motherland soundtrack.yes yes,music will be included,music designated for individual maps,faction music,win or loss music,and even menu music.the upcoming 3rd shell of the alpha site will include more images per page,and the menu music will be included,with a link to start it on this home page.the addition of music to the game is merely for fun.if ya dont like it,dont click the links to play them.if you want to see more music,or want to see different types of music,or even have some suggestions;message [Sedition] about it.the soundtrack page with all music will be added either tonight or tomorrow,and request for downloads should be sent to [Sedition].its a world easier for me if you have yahoo or msn messenger when requesting downloads,as i can send it to you directly (as uploading sites have always been finnicky for me for some reason).however for either single files or a small amount of music,i will be willing to upload it to a site for you to download.anything that reaches over 10 megabytes i will only send over a messenger.

11/19/06:Sorry for the delay,ran into a snag with uploading the soundtrack,i had forgotten to convert file types first,so give me another day or two and ill have that up.

11/21/2006:good news and bad news.the bad news is that i havent gotten the soundtrack up yet.the good news is i went ahead and set up the "global" map for all to see,with representation of faction territories.the bad news is i accidently saved it as a Jpeg and it muddied the colors a bit and i dont know how to fix that.drop me a line if you can,meanwhile,stare and drool:
<img:http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/Alex7988/MapoftheMotherland.jpg>
*EDIT*:i felt guilty about not getting that soundtrack up yet,so here is one of the tracks for my fans out there,its the menu theme for motherland,some of you DICE fans out there may recognize this.

*EDIT 2*:as a note for putfile,they have recently updated their site so the audio scrollbar is no longer there.this doesnt mean that the music isent there when you go to the page and dont hear anything.it just means that the music is loading(go figure,i dont understand why they did away with the track search bar either)
*Edit 3*:my bad on the putfile information,seems switching to internet explorer fixes the problem alltogether.for you firefox users out there i recommend downloading the IE-tab plug-in.no i dont know the link,go google it.
*EDIT 4*:I managed to get the first battlefield map up.its not quite polished yet (i want to get rid of the coordinates on the grid)but this will give you a nice idea of the map.
<img:http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/Alex7988/NewYorkUrban.jpg>

11/21/2006:good news,the soundtrack is up in the resources section,and will constantly be updated.go check it out.

11/24/2006:after much consideration ive been pondering moving motherland from elftown into its own full-blown website.this cost money hower,money i dont have.so what i need is just a raise of hands on the willingness to donate to a paypal account.servers dont cost much,but im totally broke as is.donations would go towards server upkeep,future projects,and video strippers on questionable websites(it gets lonely).this hasnt happend yet,and is really just an after-tought to motherland that i wouldnt implement until well after it is finished and ready for play.a website allows for far more flexibility in gameplay and community aspect in forums and chat rooms,and allows for live-games to be held.drop some feedback in the comments section.as for today i will be doing some much needed updating of the units section.i am pondering finishing up the infantry section for USA,or starting the MEC section up.

11/28/2006:sorry for no update for the units,but ive been posting the info regarding how combat is conducted in the resources section,under the basic section.check it out and start studying,its not finished yet,but you need to know this stuff before ya start playing as it could mean the difference between victory and death.

12/1/2006:Yo everyone,its the first of the month and im pleased to announce that i dont celebrate any particular holiday due to my lack of belief,so that means ill be slaving just as hard as usual.even better is the new projected time-table of playability for the beta of Motherland,which,if all goes well and i get everything done as quick as i want it done,should be available some time around the end of this month,a nice little hannukah/christmas/kwannza/winter solstice gift for all of you good and nuaghty boys and girls out there.

12/06/2006:sorry for the major slacking folks,i really needed a break from Motherland's development.i was seriuosly burnt out all week.this update is a little bit more then just that though,i want to hear your opinions,ive recently been pondering the elimination of the Air division as a controllable player tech tree.the reason for this is gameplay balance issues (as you cant respectably lower the firepower of an A-10 without being deemed an asshole,just check out the armored fury expansion pack for battlefield 2,youll know what i mean.).so drop me a line in the comments section or shoot me a pm,let your voices be heard.

12/12/2006:resuming work on the units,decided to work on the USA and EU units instead of the USA and MEC units.dont ask why,i just did.

12/13/2006:As promised,i do have a surprise for the month,which i will now be revealing.in the upcomming week a beta will be held (current time unspecified) were a fictional battle between the European Union and the United states of America will take place in the city of New York.this beta will only include infantry,with all players owning 6 unit slots and a currently undecided amount of unit points to disperse amongst their squads.there will be 3 matches,with a best out of two outcome.the winning team of players will come out of the beta with 15 bonus unit points when the game hits live.start thinking up those strategies folks!

12/21/2006:well folks,its almost time for the beta match,now dont get it twisted,motherland is NOT going into beta phase just yet,this is meant as a trial of the still developing combat system.the map may even change from new york to something more simple,as i have yet to upload the battle rules for urban environments.anyway,look forward,the beta has NO OFFICIAL DATE,but is scheduled to be around this weekend.

12/28/2006:SHHIIITTTTTTT!i forgot all about the beta match!im so sorry folks,ive been dead busy all week long,but i promise to you ill get this match to run before the end of the year;alot of people are out of town visitng family and friends,and thus there is a bit of a gap in time that they would be able to participate,thus the beta is being pushed to the end of the month.

12/31/2006:not much to say,happy new years and all that jazz,and the beta is officially being held on the upcoming saturday,everyone should be back in town then,so we can go ahead and get this show on the road.battlefield will be new york,environment rules will not apply.EU vs USA.start picking your sides now or you will be placed on a side by me.i will be serving as battlemaster during the beta.

1/05/2007:Alright,the beta is tomorrow,and ive put up the tutorial in the resources section.its a very basic and very quick read,so check it out so you know the deal for tomorrow.state your side now or be auto aligned to one!

3/12/2007:well folks,its been a long road,but the last month has been a bit hectic,and we never really got the beta off to a good start.things will only get more hectic however,as I have joined the army,and within the next week or so,i should be hitting basic training.for those that are curious,my job is infantryman,and i have yet to pick a contract pertaining to my length of service ( im pondering going for 4 years of active duty to see if i want to make a career of the military).furthermore,i wont be around nearly as much,as even after the 15 weeks of training,i will be pursuing airborne training,and if i make the cut,ranger school.wish me luck,and know that the motherland project is far from dead,it is simply on an extended hiatus.if your up to working on this while im gone,contact me and ill see if we cant work something out.otherwise motherland has been put on halt.(and by the way,that picture is way old,and does not reflect my current self XD)

2/4/2009:wow,has it really been nearly 2 years?Sorry for the massive hiatus,but a deployment to iraq can do that.im gonna keep this update short and sweet becuase there isent anything new to add just yet,this is just an announcement that work is finally picking back up for Motherland!Im looking for a few helping hands that would like to help me out with production of this project,message me if interested.plans are now being set in motion to secure my own webspace for this project and to make it something far greater then it is right now.with that said,im currently looking for:
-possibly java or flash programmers.
-assistants with managing the increasingly vast amount of pages and info circulating around this project
-minions scouring google earth for suitable battle zones (basiclly mappers)
-more to come as i realise were i need help in

so as you can see things not only are picking back up,but fresh ideas,more experience,and possibly software,are coming to make motherland better then originally designed!so stay tuned,the fight for the Motherland has only just begun!

2/5/2009:Well,things have got running again,and im proud to announce the renovation of the battle system!it has been greatly simplified and hopefully adds more user-friendly dynamics to the maps and combat in general.check it out in the resources section to see progress so far.other minor chances,though not complete,is deleting dead links and revamping the units pages.be prepared for some major faction changes very soon.

3/3/2009: Hey guys,another update,i know things seem sparse at the moment,but trust me,work is going on daily in the 'background' to get this baby mobile.the unit system is being redone,as are the factions as a whole,and they are truly being define in unique matters.Im starting to receive help,but more is gonna be needed if the pace is going to be picked up.Please hit me up if you wish to be a part of the project,its a good way to past time,and a rewarding experience to be a part of something thats rather unique on this site.


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2006-11-21 [Synirria]: <img600*0:http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/Alex7988/MapoftheMotherland.jpg>

2006-11-21 [Synirria]: See that would be 5600....that would just be completely stupid.

2006-11-21 [drakkar]: O.o...smaller now

the upload size was larger then i thought

2006-11-21 [Synirria]: You said 5600, so I placed it...now 500 would be just fine unless he wanted us to be able to read the words. Then probably 700

2006-11-21 [Sedition]: i was thinking about it.

2006-11-21 [Synirria]: The picture I have up there at this moment is 600 which I think is a fine size, you can read the words and its not to big.

2006-11-21 [Sedition]: and downsizing it fucked up the image for the north american map.

2006-11-21 [Synirria]: Oh well that sucks....<img:http://elftown.lysator.liu.se/img/mood/upset.gif>

2006-11-21 [drakkar]: you could always just re adjust it in PP and save it as a smaller size so everything is in proprotion

2006-11-21 [Synirria]: Yeah that would work also.

2006-11-21 [Sedition]: if its fucked during that process,its permanent

2006-11-21 [Sedition]: on a side note,dont pester me to much about the North america map,that was an hour or 2's worth of editing.this was the original image
<img:http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a127/Alex7988/NorthAmericaMap.gif>

2006-11-21 [Chen stormstout]: indeed

2006-11-21 [Sedition]: ill be redoing the global map later tonight while i try to get the soundtrack up.

2006-11-22 [Sedition]: meh,scratch that,ive run into some personal life business for today and tomorrow,i probably wont get anything done,or even worked on,till friday.anyone want to be a hero and redo the global map for me?all ya gotta do is exactly what i did,just dont fuck up like i did and save it as any file type different from what it started as.it muddies the color and fucks it up major.

2006-11-22 [Dreamseller]: Good job. -.-;

2006-11-22 [drakkar]: if i am on yahoo when your on i would be happy to do the sound track later tonight

2006-11-23 [Sedition]: stfu kyle.until you stay up till 7 in the morning working on a wiki,photo editing,setting up a soundtrack,pulling strings and talking to contacts,and keeping everyone up to date as best as possible;i dun wanna hear it.

2006-11-23 [Dreamseller]: o_O Wtf? I was really saying good job... I was being nice. T_T foo.

2006-11-23 [Sedition]: oh,i thought you were being a smartass as usual >_>

2006-11-23 [Dreamseller]: ;>_> I just stand for what i think is right. xD!

2006-11-23 [Sedition]: >_>

2006-11-23 [drakkar]: <,< dont be offended comrade gets a little on edge about these things

2006-11-24 [Sedition]: -twitches and passes out on his keyboard,then gets jolted awake but a tazer-armed slave driver monkey-GAH!IM WORKING IM WORKING!

2006-11-24 [drakkar]: >.> *gives the monkey a banna so it will be momentarily distracted* told you to take that job at the altoids factory

2006-11-24 [Sedition]: XD

2006-11-24 [drakkar]: the sad part is i can see people employing that as a work tactic

2006-11-24 [Sedition]: i would >_>

2006-11-24 [drakkar]: XD and thats why you cant have a business without lawsuits

2006-11-25 [Sedition]: oh thats alright,my employees will have no contact with the outside world.their work desks are ergonomiccly designed with the set from the movie "saw"

2006-11-25 [Nuit Darksin]: ok so can you explain how it all works or do I need to read somethin?

2006-11-25 [Sedition]: well,to give a really short summary,its not a completly text rp,there is a battle system involved,along with ranks,statistic,rewards,and units.

2006-11-25 [Nuit Darksin]: Where do I sign up?

2006-11-25 [Sedition]: ill go ahead and add you right now.

2006-11-25 [Nuit Darksin]: sweet what rank do I start yet? private?

2006-11-26 [Sedition]: yes,all players start with the rank of private.

2006-11-26 [Nuit Darksin]: cool so where do I start?

2006-11-26 [Sedition]: its not ready yet,beta will probably start next month.

2006-11-26 [Nuit Darksin]: *sighs hangs head* GOD THE BOREDOM!

2006-11-26 [Dreamseller]: Can't wait.

2006-11-26 [Sedition]: XD im working as fast as i can.

2006-11-26 [drakkar]: >.> told you....tazer racoon man

2006-11-26 [Dreamseller]: xD!

2006-11-26 [Dreamseller]: <img:http://elftown.lysator.liu.se/img/photo/151762_1164559035.jpg> To our great leader. XD

2006-11-26 [Sedition]: ...do i even want to know?

2006-11-26 [Nuit Darksin]: probably not but then again curiousity does get to me

2006-11-26 [drakkar]: i find it best not to ask since the answers normally come out anyway XD

2006-11-26 [Nuit Darksin]: lol yeah

2006-11-28 [Dreamseller]: Lmao. xD! I find it nice. You should put it as your background.

2006-11-29 [drakkar]: i rather enjoy my current background

2006-11-29 [Nuit Darksin]: yeah mine to it's the pic of that chic in the camo you gotta love it

2006-11-29 [Dreamseller]: I meant Shadow. Lmao. And it was a joke. xD!

2006-11-29 [Nuit Darksin]: lol

2006-12-12 [drakkar]: <,< is that a satellite or the moon lander in the top left hand corner?

2006-12-12 [Sedition]: thats an electric pole O_o;

2006-12-12 [drakkar]: _<_....ohhhh i see what you did there

2006-12-12 [Sedition]: >_>

2006-12-12 [Dreamseller]: <_<

2006-12-14 [drakkar]: .>....suppose i should go over those rules then

2006-12-14 [Sedition]: the rules aint done yet,so expect an update soon.

2006-12-14 [drakkar]: >.>

2006-12-14 [Sedition]: what?its complex,and the rules have to be made so exploits dont happen.

2006-12-14 [drakkar]: .>.....so no johnny stunts then XD

2006-12-14 [Sedition]: well now that depends XD

2006-12-14 [drakkar]: XD oh really

2006-12-15 [Nuit Darksin]: I have Smithe&Wesson with 4 clips that I bought of my best freind for $20

2006-12-15 [Sedition]: what,a springer airsoft?

2006-12-15 [Nuit Darksin]: yeppers

2006-12-15 [Sedition]: oh,good,for a second i was going to find your friend and beat him with a lead pipe if he sold a real Smith&Wessen for 20 bucks,S&W is a brand that screams quality,tradition,and innovation in the realm of hand-gun firearms.

2006-12-15 [Nuit Darksin]: yeah I know he's not that stupid lol

2006-12-15 [Dreamseller]: Ew ew ew. >.> That gun's screaming ugly. D;

2006-12-15 [Nuit Darksin]: apperently you don't know anything about guns

2006-12-15 [Dreamseller]: Or maybe i just don't like that kind. -steals banana sticker from shadow and plants it on Night Rogue's forehead.-

2006-12-15 [drakkar]: >.> one must bewary of the banana stickers

2006-12-15 [Dreamseller]: Of course. I learned that the hard way. -glares at shadow- <.<

2006-12-15 [Nuit Darksin]: *removes the sticker* How can you not like a smith&wesson

2006-12-15 [Sedition]: ya seriuosly,you a beretta or glock fan-boy?well you are a dirty hungarian,so you may be a german firearm barnacle.

2006-12-15 [Nuit Darksin]: haha

2006-12-16 [drakkar]: .>....*polishs ruger*

2006-12-16 [Sedition]: ya know comrade,test have shown the 1911 colt outclassed that crappy german side arm XD

2006-12-16 [drakkar]: hmmmm i wonder why it is that i was trying to order one instead of the ruger that i found....*glaring with an eye twitch*

2006-12-16 [Sedition]: ;>_> -wonders why he was even given the money to order it anyway-dude,you coulda got it from shorty,and for cheaper too.

2006-12-16 [drakkar]: maily the problem of my dad being anti gun.....which in itself is an oxymoron

2006-12-16 [Sedition]: no,i just think he is anti-you-having-a-gun

2006-12-16 [drakkar]: no hes primarily anti gun besides if he offered to get me started in sniping i dont think he thinks im all that bad

2006-12-16 [Sedition]: -shrugs-

2006-12-16 [drakkar]: -,- now if only he could get over those bipolar moods swings and having the worlds most intimidating grimmace XD

2006-12-16 [Sedition]: "no one can stop the grimmace!!"

2006-12-16 [drakkar]: ohhh yeah XD "the pAAAAAIIIIIINNNNNN!!!!!!!"

2006-12-16 [Nuit Darksin]: haha

2006-12-16 [Dreamseller]: Berreta M9 is my gun of choice thank you very much. And the germans made some of the best guns during WW2. And you had lame rifles that had to be out of bullets in order to reload.

2006-12-16 [Dreamseller]: I've never been pro nazi, and never will be. You're the only one that thinks in the same way as the nazi did. Not on everything, but on most things. >_>

2006-12-16 [Sedition]: pfft,german rifles were inferior to american rifles by anyones standards.the only german small-arms that outclassed american weaponry were the machine guns,becuase that was what the german infantry squad was based around,usually a machine gunner,a support for that machine gunner,2-3 riflemen,and maybe 2-3 sub-machine gunners.it was the very basis of their infantry tactics.as far as rifles go,they were average,outclassed by both american and russian rifles in accuracy and firepower.with americans bringing the best in accuracy and innovation,and the russians in productivity,simplicity of design,and over all one really solid and effective gun.as far as side-arms like the german luger go,America,hands down,made the best with the 1911 9mm colt,with accuracy and durability that put the complex and innacurate luger to shame.germans had little respect for the production of side-arms,and although the unique design of the luger made them prized souveniers,as actual fire-arms the settle in as average at best.i can of course,cite all of this information with links if you dont believe me.

2006-12-16 [Dreamseller]: (Relax. >.>)
The germans were the only ones to adjust their military guns to meet the capacity demanded. >_> Their superior scientific knowledge proved to be their biggest advantage, next to their superior numbers of most of the countries in Europe. And no. I must disagree with your "The Americans bringing in the best in accuracy." Take the Mauser Gewehr 41 for example. It was superior to the M1903 Springfield was better in every way, except in weight. Jeez. The M1903 Springfield was issued in the Spanish-American War of 1898. They even made them using old tooling from the Rock Island Arsenal which had been in storage since 1919.

2006-12-16 [Nuit Darksin]: Ok first off your comment about[Dreamseller] "You had lame rifles that had to be out of bullets to reload." HELLO! Is there a brain in that skull of yours? All firearms have to be out of bullets to reload DEE DEE DEE! And I totally agree with [Sedition]. Americans had the superior firearms always have always will. For one the germans had to fire cock and fire again. Take the M1A1 Garrand for instance amazing fire power, the first gas powered rifle, and amazing accuracy.

2006-12-16 [Sedition]: kyle,that depends entirely on which springfield your talking about,there is more then one.and germany was quite far from the only country to update their arsenal to meet teh demands of the battlefield,thats total nonsense.the Kar98k was a ww1 relic,and it wasnt until the end of the war that they attempted to filter it out with the Stg-44 (considered by many to be the first assualt rifle).Hitler was notoriuos for shooting down design schematics for modern weaponry at the time if it wasnt a machine gun.Hitler himself was a foot soldier in ww1,and this greatly influenced his strategic thought process of how to fight in ww2,spawning tactics such as the blitzkreig,which is an off shoot of a german strategy conceived in 1917 during ww1 (the name of which and the general i cant remember off the top of my head) which involved an infantry version of the blitzkreig (if anything due to technological inferiority to mechanized warfare of the second world war).Hitler's experiences as a soldier in ww1 drove him to value the machine gun as a terrific defensive weapon,and,if used properly,a superb suppresive weapon in an offensive squad.though the german war machine was extremly productive and innovative of designing infantry tactics and weaponry around their machine guns,this cuased a seriuos "after thought" syndrome towards the rest of their small arms,cuasing them to merely update weapons from world war 1,that were meant for trench warfare.

American weapon design is based more around the philosophy of accurate and powerful rifles,powerful both in caliber and suppressive capability.so it wasnt long before american ingenuity put its research into gas-powered weaponry,spawning weapons like the m1,that allow the rifleman to have a weapon just as,if not more so,accurate then a german rifle,and have the ability to put more shots downrage,faster,more repetitivly,and with shorter intervals of reloading time.this allowed a number of advantages.one,it allowed ammo to be more effectivly distributed and used,two,it opened the door for weapons to be more versatile at varying ranges,and lastly it allowed for more fluid infantry tactics in firepower and suppression,a tradition which lives in american weaponry even today with the designs of the m16,m4,mp5,and the OICW system.german engineering is only just now catching on to the future of small-arms with the G36 series of small arms,which brings versatility in the package of a carbine,sniper rifle,assualt rifle,and machine gun.Many believe the G36 is the wave of the future for firearms,but i think it is only bound to strike even ground with the next circa of american small arms due out in the next decade,a part of the "advanced war-fighter" infantry program,which brings innovation in gear,uniform,and weaponry to the standard infantry-man that has never before been envisioned.

2006-12-16 [Nuit Darksin]: *claps* Well put well put indeed. But just as a side note which I'm sure you already know this but the M16 replaced the M4 inveitnam. Mainly due to the fact that the M4 was not powerful enough to spot the gorrila soliders(vc or viet cong) because they were so doped up on opium that they didn't feel the shoots from the M4 and they just kept on going so the US Military developed the M16A1 Assualt rifle that held a 7.62 caliber round and the VC were dropped easier with it. They also had the M60 which is now replaced with the M240 machine gun that shoots a .40 caliber round and is lighter than the M60 and instead of a belt feed it uses has a bucket attached that holds 100 rounds.

2006-12-16 [Sedition]: Actually the m4 was replaced by the m16,becuase american generals felt a great need to counter the russian assualt rifle,the AK-47,which had proved the when coupled with jungle geurilla tactics,quickly negated the advantages of accuracy with consistent fire (if you asked a vietnam vet,they would tell you 90% of the time they never actually saw their enemy).so the m16 was a poor alternative derived for a higher consistency of firepower without sacrificing accuracy.the lack of a fully-automatic mode in later m16 models,and the more accurate but less powerful design and calibur of m16 ammo left it at a similar disadvantage to the m4 in vietnam.really putting them behind square 1,becuase one,it didnt really solve anything,and two,the earlier models were extremly prone to jaming in that particular environment due to the complexity of its build (small parts,gas powered pistons,and an open ejection port let to a rifle that wold jam with even a minimal amount of dirt of powder build up.).ultimatly any soldier that could reverted back to the m4,simply for less jamming.however in later conflicts the m16 was finally "fixed" into being a reliable weapon,with proper training and use,the m16 began to quickly outclass the AK-47 in efficiency,bringing accuracy when needed,or suppression when needed,with a lower fire rate (due to burst fire),but a far more controlled firing mechanism,allowing point fire to stay contained within a specific spot,due to the shock absorbtion and low recoil of the rifle coupled with its light weight.to this day the m16 proves time and again its superiority to the AK-47 in both urban and desert environments.So far the m16's updated cousin has not been outright tested in a jungle environment,so there cant be a true anaylsis of it compared to the original m16.perhaps if the korea situation goes hot,we will see the true potential of the m16.so far its looking bright,with the m16A3 coming around the corner as one of the final installments into the family.unfortunantly the m16 will soon be replaced,as other designs for a main-hand for infantry-man is being looking into,with the OICW program,X-7,and G36 family competing for the advanced war-fighter.ironiclly the m4,an off shoot carbine of the m16,will see longer service becuase of its versatility,packing accuracy,a full-auto firing mode,and more attachments then you can shake a stick at,including the revolutionary battle-cam system.

2006-12-17 [Nuit Darksin]: *bows* I am not worthly and hey with me going to basic tomorrow I'll be able to tell you more about the M240 :D

2006-12-17 [Sedition]: basic?good for you brother,what branch?

2006-12-17 [Sedition]: nevermind,just checked your homepage,HOO-RAH!i enlisted too,trying to get shipped within the month if this thing with devry doesnt work out.maybe ill catch a glimpse of ya at basic.what MOS you going for?im trying to get infantry.

2006-12-17 [Nuit Darksin]: Infantry 0331 machine gunner and hopefully I can do good enough at SOI to get offered a spot on either Force Recon or Scout Sniper. Where do you live again?

2006-12-17 [Sedition]: jacksonville florida.im trying to see if i can be a rifleman or grenadier.im trying to get drakkar in on it as he has an interest in LRPS

2006-12-17 [Nuit Darksin]: yeah you'll go to Parris Island we won't ever see each other at basic lol

2006-12-17 [Sedition]: ah,you west coast?

2006-12-17 [Nuit Darksin]: yeah everyone west of the missippi goes to camp pendelton every east goes to parris island

2006-12-17 [Sedition]: i see,oh well,see you in iraq then eh?

2006-12-17 [Nuit Darksin]: lol yeah or korea are you going start active?

2006-12-17 [Sedition]: hell yeah,no point putting off the fight right?

2006-12-17 [Nuit Darksin]: yeah I guess I'm gonna go reserve for 2 years so that I can get a college degree and then I'll go active

2006-12-17 [Sedition]: carefull bro,reservist are getting activated alot lately.

2006-12-17 [Dreamseller]: -take Night Rogue's neck from behind and snaps it- Please. Make sure you understand what someone means before throwing shit at them.

Here we go.
There were "four" kinds of springfields that were in WW2. Unless you count the old ones dating back to 1930. T
There was the M1903A3 Springfield, modified for easier production with stamped metal parts and somewhat different grip and stock (late model Type S stock; no finger grooves).
And the M1903A4 Springfield. The only difference with that one and the M1903A3 was that the M1903A4 had a scope.
The M1903A2 basically a stripped A1 or A3 used as a subcaliber rifle with artillery pieces.
And the M1903 Bushmaster. The Bushmaster was only used in training and never seen in combat.
I agree that their have been others for training and competition, but those were the main ones.

So basically, there were two different kinds.

And the Garand wasn't practical at all. "As the reloading of partially expended clips was not practical, soldiers frequently fired the Garand until all eight rounds were expended, after which the bolt was automatically locked back and the clip ejected, readying the rifle for the insertion of a fresh clip of ammunition."

It was accurate... But you couldn't reload it well...

2006-12-17 [Sedition]: the concept behind it was to keep rounds from being wasted.i dont see the flaw here besides firing like 7 rounds,then turning around a corner and facing 3 guys.and honestly a rifle wasnt meant for CQC anyway.so that flaw isent exactly a glaring one.its also the only gun that chimes when the ammo is expended,preventing dry firing.it was incredibly efficient.and if soldiers were anal about such a trivial thing they would just use the carbine.

2006-12-17 [Dreamseller]: You mean four guys. The springfield had a cartridge of 5 rounds, dispite the common misconception of 10 rounds in games like call of duty. Check it out if you don't believe me: http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl07-e.htm

2006-12-17 [Dreamseller]: And the Mauser K98k carbine could easily compete with the Springfield. The only drawback was the manually operated, rotating bolt you had to be pulled after ever shot. While the Springfield couldn't reload, the Mauser couldn't fire fast. I agree that it would be better to have the Springfield, but in the hands of a good soldier, the Mauser could fight as well as the Springfield.
And the M1 Garand had the exact same problem as the Springfield. You couldn't easily reload it unless the clip was empty.

2006-12-17 [Dreamseller]: Umm... Shadow... >.> Is it true that it takes 7-8 men taking care of a soldier behind... As in cooking food and all. >_> No lame comments. <.< ^.^ >.> It's my dad that's all cooked up. >_>

2006-12-17 [Sedition]: springfield?i was talking about the m1.what on earth are YOU talking about?springfields didnt use magazines,they used individual cartridges.i know becuase ive personally fired one.i think you are seriuosly confusing the m1 garand with the 1914 springfield sniper rifle.

2006-12-17 [Sedition]: m1 garand=8 round magazine from a slide clip fed through the top breach of the rifle.

Springfield=individual feed cartridge(bullet) through the bolt breach lock.,like most bolt action sniper rifles.

2006-12-18 [drakkar]: <,<....*ponders if he wants to read the 8 pages of gun rabble*

2006-12-18 [Dreamseller]: Oh. ;>_> You were talking about the M1. XD! You suck.

2006-12-18 [Sedition]: XD!!! -pets kyle and hand him a banana sticker-

2006-12-18 [Dreamseller]: I was like going around sites trying to find stuff to pwn you. x_x; And you were like... "Say what?" xD!

2006-12-18 [Sedition]: XD omg,i was like "wtf?he DOES know im talking about the m1 right?why on earth would i compare a sniper rifle to the Kar98k?"

2006-12-18 [Dreamseller]: The springfield is not a sniper rifle. ;>.> Not necceserly.

2006-12-18 [Sedition]: -throws a tomato-well it is now,whore.

2006-12-18 [drakkar]: <,<....wait i heard my branch so should i be interested now

2006-12-19 [Dreamseller]: -removes scope from springfield and throws it in shadow's eye- <_< No.

2006-12-19 [Sedition]: o_.............-cocks his shotgun-

2006-12-19 [Dreamseller]: -takes out his huge fake "serious sam" rocket thrower- Bring it on. <_<

2006-12-20 [drakkar]: *takes the scope and walks off about 10 paces before attaching it to a SVD and picking you both off*

2006-12-20 [Sedition]: x_x

2006-12-20 [drakkar]: you see while you assaulter's bicker among yourselfs the lone wolf snipers can do there thing

2006-12-20 [Dreamseller]: Pfft. <.<

2006-12-20 [drakkar]: what are ou pffting at

2006-12-21 [Dreamseller]: -.-; Something tells me this whole rp is "way" too complicated.

2006-12-21 [Dreamseller]: I'm working on an animation on Shadow. >_> You better have a merry christmas you bastard.

2006-12-21 [Sedition]: trust me,the roleplay is simplistic yet complex.the simplicity is in the actual combat,what is complex is the process before a single shot is even fired,as the upgrade and gear systems that have yet to be implemented (and probably wont be until the "expansion" i have planned) will allow a rather duanting amount of personal customization,from the actual character unit,to purchased units.i want it set up so that each unit will be able to be personally tailored to a persons specific interest in anywhere from 3 to 10 ways.

2006-12-21 [Dreamseller]: Ah ok. I didn't understand the last part. 3 to 10 ways?

2006-12-21 [Sedition]: 3 to 10 ways of setting up your units,like for instance,you could turn a rifleman into your main means of anti-infantry by upgrading his firepower and armor with grenades and kevlar,or you could have an entire squad of swift units by downgrading armor in exchange for lighter loads and etc.

2006-12-21 [drakkar]: XD i bet it still sounds to complicated

2006-12-21 [Sedition]: if your 10 maybe

2006-12-22 [drakkar]: <,< its the internet comrade

2006-12-22 [Sedition]: -.-;

2006-12-22 [drakkar]: XD

2006-12-22 [Dreamseller]: xD! Well ya, it's complicated, but i get the picture.

2006-12-22 [Sedition]: the beta will be simplistic,and ive desided that environment rules will not apply.

2006-12-22 [drakkar]: <,< you need to come pick up your gift

2006-12-22 [Sedition]: what is it >.>

2006-12-22 [drakkar]: <,< cant tell you or else it wouldnt be the mystery present......though i know you would like it XD

2006-12-22 [Sedition]: oh god is it something porn or sex toy related?XD it is,isnt it?

2006-12-22 [Sedition]: and i swear to god,if it has anything to do with loli,your dead

2006-12-22 [drakkar]: sorry not this time though i know what to buy you for your birthday XD

2006-12-22 [Sedition]: XD bastard

2006-12-23 [drakkar]: XD only around you comrade

2006-12-23 [Sedition]: XD whats that mean?

2006-12-23 [drakkar]: XD ohh nothing young assaulter

2006-12-23 [Sedition]: young?your only older by a month you douche XD

2006-12-23 [drakkar]: XD regardless

2006-12-23 [Dreamseller]: Oh, the suspense is killing me. Tell me what it is. >.>

2006-12-23 [drakkar]: im sure comrade will tell you once he receives it

2006-12-23 [Sedition]: i have a bad feeling about this >_>

2006-12-23 [drakkar]: <,<...come one comrade take your present

2006-12-23 [Sedition]: but it might be a trap >_>

2006-12-23 [drakkar]: nah i wouldnt do that to you everyone knows snipers dont lay traps

2006-12-23 [Dreamseller]: Ehehe.

2006-12-23 [drakkar]: <,,<

2006-12-23 [Dreamseller]: ;>_> What?

2006-12-23 [drakkar]: *sniffles*

2006-12-23 [Sedition]: -twitches-never driving to your house again

2006-12-23 [drakkar]: XD you still cant blame your reckless driving on me

2006-12-23 [Sedition]: reckless my ass,you moved that pole,i know you did.and you were effing watching!you coulda shouted out for me to stop!

2006-12-24 [drakkar]: like i could see the side of the car closest to the object that anyone else could have saw bright as day......besides my magic level isn't high enough to make pieces of the land move yet

2006-12-24 [Sedition]: -_- excuses,you watched in amusement

2006-12-24 [Dreamseller]: ;>.> Well then... What did you get... And what's with the pole? x_x

2006-12-24 [drakkar]: least you got the car out of it <,<

2006-12-24 [Sedition]: ya,a car thats broken and i must pay for -_- and its not techniclly mine until she gets a new one.

2006-12-24 [drakkar]: <,<....still got it

2006-12-24 [Sedition]: go to hell comrade -_-;

2006-12-24 [drakkar]: nah i like warmpth but i hear thats a little over the top

2006-12-24 [Sedition]: -twitches and takes out the fish bat-

2006-12-24 [drakkar]: *puts on some shin and arm guards before taking a defensive stance*

2006-12-24 [Sedition]: -whacks him in the head-....look up:wasted effort.

2006-12-24 [drakkar]: *rubs spot where hit* yup *sidekick to the ribs*

2006-12-24 [Sedition]: -twitches,the pent up rage built over the season nulling the pain-no soul,remember comrade?

2006-12-24 [drakkar]: ohh yeah...masochism versus no soul....alright well call it a draw

2006-12-24 [Sedition]: right then

2006-12-24 [drakkar]: so....now what

2006-12-24 [Sedition]: now...we write,we write our story -flies off-

2006-12-25 [drakkar]: *ponders which one to get started on again*

2006-12-30 [Dreamseller]: <img:http://elftown.lysator.liu.se/img/photo/151762_1167474766.jpg>
XD! Sorry... Couldn't help myself. xD!

2006-12-30 [drakkar]: .>...i see what ya did there

2006-12-30 [Sedition]: XD god i hate those people,so much.

2006-12-31 [Dreamseller]: Racist. XD!

2006-12-31 [Sedition]: so sue me.

2006-12-31 [drakkar]: you can nowadys

2006-12-31 [Sedition]: oh yeah XD

2006-12-31 [drakkar]: careful what you wish for XD

2006-12-31 [Sedition]: -looks over his shoulder for liberals-

2006-12-31 [Dreamseller]: XD! -walks towards shadow, arranging tie- You've been served. -hands blue envelope.- XD!

2006-12-31 [Sedition]: o_o;

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