2008-02-21 [windowframe]: Other than the fact that's it's not actually a dragon, but a dragon related creature. -.- They have a point that maybe it shouldn't be in the poll, but some of them should certainly have pointed it out sooner. Saying that a wyvern is allowed to represent a typical dragon is just silly. Like saying a unicorn should be allowed to represent a typical pegasus.

2008-02-21 [Pheonix~]: I really like C because not only does it in my opinion look like a typical dragon but also green is a very good color because it shows up easier in many things.

2008-02-21 [Sheracle]: Agress 100% with [windowframe] ^-^

2008-02-23 [Kurai Tenma]: All that separates entry (C) from being a dragon is two front legs. That's hardly worth arguing over. Dragons and wyverns resemble each other. A unicorn and a pegasus don't have that relationship, aside from being horse-based. That said, you can't be sure entry (A) isn't a wyvern either. All you have is the head, which is the same for a wyvern and dragon.

2008-02-24 [windowframe]: Dragons and wyverns resemble each other in being draconic, pegasus and unicorns resemble each other in being equine. But somehow the two sets don't share the same comparison? It's silly to have a typical wyvern representing dragons. Simple as.

2008-02-24 [Kurai Tenma]: Tell me, how do unicorns and pegasus compare other than being horse-based? One has a horn, one has wings. Wyverns have 2 legs, dragons have 4. Aside from that, Wyverns and Dragons are the same. Though, the argument is rather ridiculous. If you get a book on dragons, wyverns will be in the book.

BTW, draconic means "of or relating to a dragon." A wyvern is directly related to the dragon, a direct comparison. The unicorn and pegasus are not comparable, but are comparable to horses. Without the horse, no relationship is drawn. That's an extra species. There's a difference in a direct branch off, and cousin.

2008-02-24 [windowframe]: "Will be in the book" but not on the front cover of the book. The purpose of this poll was to decide which dragon would go on the front cover, as it were. It's just silly to have a wyvern there - it would be in the 'related creatures' section. If we're going to get technical, we can just say that dragons are different lizards. One cousin got more appendages. But there's not much point in that. Fact is, a creature that isn't the creature the page is about, shouldn't be the creature that appears at the top of the page as an illustration of what said creature typically looks like. 

2008-02-25 [Aura Darklight]: I do not think that dragons are different lizards, they are different from mere lizards in many ways and not just by having wing or breathing fire. I have studyed the beliefs of dragons in many cultures and I do not believe that it is right to compare them to mere lizards for they are no where near the same things. For there are many different types of dragon and each type unique to the different cultures that believe in them so do not try to go technical if you have not spent time trying to learn about dragons in the first place.

2008-02-25 [Kurai Tenma]: The "lizard" would be the related creature. A wyvern is a type of dragon, not a cousin relative. Dragon is a general, generic term. Would you say a Chinese dragon isn't a typical dragon? It's one of the originals, if you're going to be honest. Also, for your 'technical' view. I'll simplify.

Dragon -> Wyvern is a parent->child relationship. That means that a Wyvern is a dragon.

To go to your equine example.

Unicorn <- Horse -> Pegasus. Unicorn and Pegasus have no relationship. Both have a parent->child with horse. So, a Unicorn is a Horse, and Pegasus is a Horse, but a Pegasus is not a Unicorn. Common, basic, horse-sense.

To go back to the rules: "Note: Baby and baby looking dragons, dragons WITHOUT wings, and ANTHRO dragons WILL NOT be considered as TYPICAL DRAGONS."

It seems that [Artsieladie] was correct. The rules didn't state legs. No one said a typical dragon has four. A typical Western dragon, which in and of itself is another type of dragon. If the rules had stated FOUR legs, I'm sure the artist would have added the front set to make it acceptable as an entry.

Also, this is a ridiculous argument to keep up just to be the one correct. If you look at the poll, giving the votes of entry C to entry F (second place), doesn't alter the fact that entry I is still currently winning by quite a bit.

2008-02-25 [windowframe]: The rules do state however, typical dragons. We're not questioning whether it's a typical dragon but whether it's a dragon at all. You were the one who said that a wyvern was a relative of the dragon, now you're saying it is a dragon, make your mind up, please. :) This "argument" is not being continued for the sake of being right, but for the sake of making sure our creature page is right. If I thought you had a compelling argument why we should allow a wyvern to represent the typical dragon, I would have accepted. As is, I don't think you have. You have an argument about why the wyvern should be on a dragon page somewhere - which was never in question at all.

[Aura Darklight], I was referring to Komodo Dragons which are in fact, lizards. So please don't tell me not to get technical because you've assumed my ignorance of a subject. :P I'm sure you are very knowledgeable about dragons, but that doesn't make my opinion redundant. :)

2008-02-25 [Paul Doyle]: Hmm, shouldn't we wrap this voting up and move along to something else to vote on? This endless debate in these comments really serves no purpose. We could also debate whether or not witches are made of wood. :P

2008-02-25 [windowframe]: Well I guess that settles it. The wise sage has spoken. Paul thinks this debate is pointless, so it must be. :)

2008-02-25 [Sunrose]: Eh there's nothing forcing anyone to go here, not even a watch-feature.
In general we try to keep contest-polls up until there are about a 1000 votes, there aren't nearly enough now.

2008-02-25 [Paul Doyle]: Ah, I'm just saying. Personally, I think witches do float on water---so they are made of wood :P

2008-02-26 [Cina]: But if a witch doesn't have arms, is it still a witch? Or a wyvern?

2008-02-26 [crikketcandy]: A duck!

2008-02-26 [Aura Darklight]: I agree we are getting no where with it

2008-02-26 [EmeraldGrizzly]: It is as simple as this in my opinion... 4-Legged Dragon, 2-Legged Dragon, Chinese Lion Dragon, Dog Dragon, Chinese Oriental, Wyvern, Whelp, Half-Dragon, ETC. They are all dragons, just depends on where you come from. Dragons are all over the world in all shapes sizes and names. Its a dragon... period.

2008-02-26 [Paul Doyle]: Dog Dragon = Falkor from the "Never-Ending Story?" I think the baddies could have beaten Atreyu, Bastian and the rest simply by distracting Falkor with a gigantic Frisbee. "Good doggie-um-dragon!"

2008-02-26 [Paul Doyle]: I believe we could get this contest closer to 1000 votes through the usage of an official alarm-note and maybe people with real pull (don't look at me, guys!) encouraging friends/relations/whatever to vote in this poll if they have not already done so. Since [windowframe] thinks me a wise sage though I'm probably far closer to being a wise-ass, then this is my prophecy. Or something :P

2008-02-26 [Khronos Atmosphaera]: [Cina] If a witch doesn't have arms, I think she is simply handicapped. But I could be wrong...