2006-05-01 [Yncke]: Paint Shop Pro (7) + very efficient usage of screen estate.

2006-05-01 [iippo]: What does that mean? :P (*is helpful to the newbies today* also *is a newbie today* XD)

2006-05-01 [windowframe]: *haunt*

2006-05-01 [Yncke]: It means that the tools and such don't take up a lot of screen you really want to use for something else. (For example, I think that The Gimp can use a whole lot of improvement there, if you're stuck with just one desktop on one screen. vs .)

2006-05-01 [iippo]: (Those screenshots are the same image?) But yeah, I got you now. The thing I don't like with GIMP is the way it's several different windows, when as in Photoshop for example is just one window and all the subthings (like layer-dock and the image itself) are windows inside the PS window.

2006-05-01 [Veltzeh]: [Yncke]: totally agree with you there. PSP 9 had issues with that until I managed to make the toolbars like they are in PSP 7. X)

2006-05-01 [Veltzeh]: I added Painter. Haven't used it myself but it is a proficient graphics program.

2006-05-01 [Yncke]: Oops, the images are not the same anymore, now. :)

2006-05-01 [iippo]: Thanks Vel. And feel very free to fix any typos or such. :3

2006-05-01 [Yncke]: Does The Gimp have adjustment layers yet? (that's the main reason why I stopped my The Gimp experiments.)

2006-05-01 [Veltzeh]: Heh, with respect to that "lots of different windows or subwindows" thing, GIMP is worst, then PS and then PSP. I've used them all enough to say that XD

2006-05-01 [iippo]: The computers I use have version 2.0, and I don't think they have adjustment layers.

2006-05-01 [iippo]: In GIMP it's sometimes convenient to be able to get rid of the tools and all other shiz with minimise. But if you want to do stuff while drawing, then the amount of windows starts to be off-pissy.

2006-05-01 [Veltzeh]: That's something that's especially great with PSP. The tools windows can be set to automatically minimize and they expand when you hover the cursor over their titles :D

2006-05-01 [Yncke]: Yeah, I really love that feature. I could mimick that function with Enlightenment for the Gimp, but it wasn't really the same.

2006-05-01 [Zab]: *starts watching* :P

2006-05-01 [iippo]: GIMP should learn from the PSP-zoom. It's zoom is '+' and '-' but the numpad ones don't work o.O

2006-05-01 [Yncke]: I just prefer the scroll zoom of PSP. :) Handy to navigate over the canvas too.

2006-05-01 [Veltzeh]: How do you use scroll zooms? My mouse doesn't have a scroll >_>

2006-05-01 [Veltzeh]: I added operating system info. That's kinda important ;)

2006-05-01 [iippo]: To where >_> To all of them? *confused* // And what do you mean "file type compability" ? Compatible with lots of file types, or other programs' file types (like .psds)?

2006-05-01 [Yncke]: With the mouse's scroll wheel. :)

2006-05-01 [iippo]: Yeah, like the blue thing there: http://www.ma-1.lv/ftp/images/mouse/trust/ami_siglescroll_f.jpg

2006-05-01 [Veltzeh]: Yeah, all of them, on the very beginning of the list. I didn't bother to check them, but that's what I know. X) And File compatibility means both that it's compatible with a lot of file types and other program's files.

2006-05-01 [Veltzeh]: Heh. I use the mouse with my left hand, so I can navigate and zoom very easily with the plus, minus, page up, page down, home and end buttons.

2006-05-01 [iippo]: Ah, so GIMP being able to both open and save as .psd (and a huge load of other weird stuff) counts as filetype compatibility <-- What a silly word. XD

2006-05-01 [Veltzeh]: I suppose a proper adjective should be added in front of it... like, "limited file-type compatibility" and "extensive file-type compatibility".

2006-05-01 [iippo]: That... or examples of the more useful/strange filetypes that it will open. If you use/have access to PS and GIMP, then you'll love the fact that GIMP opens and saves .psds. If your camera saves files as .plt (I made that up), then you'll like the one that opens it. Hmm, we could go for the "opens *number* of different filetypes"

2006-05-01 [iippo]: The rough lines makes me ask: can't you alter brush softness in PSP, or make your own brushes?

2006-05-01 [Veltzeh]: Yes, you can alter the softness and make your own brushes. It's still rough. However, the catch is that it's only rough at small brush sizes. If the brush is about size 20 or bigger, it's just as smooth as PS's, but at that size it's usually so that you have to make the image so big that computers have some difficulties processing them.

2006-05-02 [Dark Side of the Moon]: Just added MGI Photo Suite 8.1 to the list along with the pros/cons. :^)

2006-05-02 [iippo]: Mention one more thing about it [Dark Side of the Moon] - cost. :P I'll check somewhere what platforms it runs on.

2006-05-02 [iippo]: Hmm, keeps saying Windows-based, so do I assume that it doesn't like Mac?

2006-05-02 [Dark Side of the Moon]: I haven't any idea about the cost to be honest. I believe this program was included with the computer that my dad bought. I really don't know anything about it. Doesn't seem that too many others have heard of it. I'm thinking it's safe to assume that it only runs in Windows. I really don't have a clue when it comes to drawing programs. I'm a traditionalist and do all of my drawing and painting on paper.

2006-05-23 [iippo]: >.< I found a wiki which was done way before this one about the same thing: CG Programs.

2006-05-28 [Sheepy]: Ah, but it has been dead-ish for a while. Besides, the more the merrier. With more pages, more people are likely to find the information they need :)

2006-05-28 [Sheepy]: I hate MGI Photosuite :P It is default on many, many Windows PCs, but it's really only good for the most basic of photo editting tasks. It's really not designed for creating graphics at all. And you're missing a huge one! Corel Photopaint. Also, ArtRage is pretty damned spiffy for free software, but you definitely need a tablet to use it. it's sort of like a free, lightweight painter.

2006-05-28 [iippo]: :D Thanks, and feel free to add any plusses or minuses to those two (or any of the listed).