2005-08-22 [Erestor]: Well I agree with [Mom]. I think it's an excellent idea it would work great :)

2005-08-22 [Lothuriel]: I agree also but, if the woman stole the graphic and is lying about where it came from it needs to be removed by a guard. It is no different than her going to my house and taking one of my drawings and claiming a "friend" gave it to her.

2005-08-22 [Erestor]: Well both me and Loth. are patrollers - we could ask her too remove the item and say it was art theft?

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: yeah and she went like "you are lieying cause you wont even name the artist" and i was like. dang she has me >_< and that just pissed me off big time

2005-08-22 [shotokan_gal]: Well, surely we shouldn't act until travs says something, it's his graphic after all. The problem with someone saying it's art-theft, a gift etc, would be having to say and prove it was travs who made it (as well as why more than one person has it, another reason people probably assumed it was et graphics, ignoring this woman's refusal). Which would get the guards involved and all sorts. Unwanted attention.

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: yeah i know but *gah* if i was a viking her brains would be all over my computer screen at the moment

2005-08-22 [Mom]: Brains???What brains?

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: that gooye gray mass in her head

2005-08-22 [Lothuriel]: I see no reason why we could not say [travs the bean] designed the graphic for some of his friends. We would have to give no explaination why he made it. It is none of their business.

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: true

2005-08-22 [Lothuriel]: I am getting ready to send her a message now, if anyone objects say something before I hit send ok?

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: well i do think travs aught to know

2005-08-22 [Lothuriel]: I was under the impression that he did know, sorry. I won't send it then. 

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: lets just wait fo rhim

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: he knows about the woman, for sure, but he doesnt know that she lied

2005-08-22 [Lothuriel]: I see. Well, I will stay out of it then. Check my house if you don't mind, do you think it will be acceptable?

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: yeah why not

2005-08-22 [Lothuriel]: Because I put travs name under the graphic, like [Mom] suggested...just didn't want to step on any toes...how ya been by the way, LOL

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: ive been FINE aside of that minor triffle then *copycats your thingie under the arrows*

2005-08-22 [Lothuriel]: That is good to hear....hehe, no problem.

2005-08-22 [travs the bean]: the only prob with saying that i designed it for some of my friends- some of my closest friends that i work with on a reg basis at elftown do not have that graphic- i would like to remain a ghost in this- but a poser page would fine- that way we keep tabs on them and if they ever become nominated to join we know they cannot be trusted-

2005-08-22 [travs the bean]: i'm not offended - and i agree our names stay with our clans- which lynn we need to get around to those new pledges- if we go on the attack though we draw attention to us- something i do not want to do

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: i know i know, but that woman really got the blood from under my nails

2005-08-22 [Lothuriel]: So, we let this woman get away with stealing art...the very thing we are trying to stop. Sorry guys...it just doesn't make sense to me.

2005-08-22 [Mom]: I just suggested they need to ask permission to use it...it's copywritten and thats ET's rules. Its not listed in ET graphics or anything like that. When its just put that it belongs to him it keeps Travs in control of who gets it. If there is someone he feels can have it it's his perrogative.

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: *scratches etches in desk with nails out of frustration*

2005-08-22 [Lothuriel]: Ok, here is my problem. Linn told the lady it was made by one of her friends and that she needed to take it down. Since Linn could not/would not tell her the name of the artist who created it, she refused to take it down and proceeded to lie about where the graphic came from. I am not trying to make a big deal out of this. It's just few things tick me off more than an art thief. Do we have a clone house that can be used? We could say "A friendship token from [member person made up].

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: *glad that atleast someone seems to understand why she's so fed up with the stupid woman*

2005-08-22 [Lothuriel]: I do see [Mom]'s point but, at the same time, I think that allowing her to get away with it is just plain wrong. But, if dropping it is [travs the bean]'s wish, then drop it I will. Just don't expect me to like the droppingness of it..*crosses arms and pouts*

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: *sits down next to Loth to sulk about the whole thing*

2005-08-22 [Lothuriel]: *opens a bag of cookies and hands them to [Linn Scarlett]..*

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: *munches the cookies silently, still sulking over the fact that she couldn't prove being right even though she was absolutely right beyond any doubt*

2005-08-22 [travs the bean]: i'm not asking to drop it completely and it does sit in the back of my head- but i'm not going to let it eat me up either- - as for rights and such that graphic is the least of my worries when it comes to rights- and having it in the open is asking for it to be taken- - your house graphics are more important- that is why i created a place to set up your wiki profile- but.... back to the issue at hand.

2005-08-22 [travs the bean]: the people that steal without asking and then lie about things kinda in my opinion forfeits their rights to join if they so are nomminated. This is our wiki not mine as well and all the graphics are ours- not just mine- by telling people the graphic came from me shows that we exsist and causes more problems- so for the greater good... we just black mark them on a list and go from there.

2005-08-22 [travs the bean]: that way members of the guild can see who doesn't belong as the go through the town also we might want to come up with a password or another secret symbol to pass about sort of to protect each other- this is were the secrecy becomes fun:) as more people try to figure out what is going on.

2005-08-22 [travs the bean]: two people will not ruin the fun- and even friends on my relations have not been asked to join- if they take the image and someone tells them that only travs friends are allowed to have it - it causes a unique prob for me - because they could be a friend in a sense i just felt that it was not the time to invite them in-

2005-08-22 [Lothuriel]: I suppose you are right. The fire still smolders a bit though. 

2005-08-22 [Lothuriel]: I took that phrase and your name off as soon as I read your first comment up there so, no worries there.

2005-08-22 [travs the bean]: i know it burns a little but i have plenty of special graphics just for those here- - you guys are the ones that keep the fantasy going- now we need to create a black list for now of thieves-

2005-08-22 [travs the bean]: ok it is also time to let the numbers grow a little please go here and voice your opinions about those on the list so far dark arrow:pledges we need all the input we can get

2005-08-22 [Ariandra]: i think that thie art thief should be put on a watch list so that when she inevitably steals something else, she can be branded for it. Also, what about a "secret agent" amongst the guards? Someone who could deal with this problem quietly?

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: that sounds rather complicated, that secret guard thing *frowns*

2005-08-22 [Ariandra]: Not really. Just one who isn't listed here, who oculd get their info from another source. (hint-I am married to [Savien])

2005-08-22 [travs the bean]: i think that would be fine- we have several guards here already as well i think savien is also in the pledge list

2005-08-22 [Ariandra]: He is, and he wold be delighted to help in whatever way possible.

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: oh talking about [Savien] i sended a message to ask if i could use the Art Thief Image

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: *blushes* but i didnt get a message back yet, i sended it two or three days ago, so ehh i put it in my house with a line saying it was made by savien

2005-08-22 [Ariandra]: He hasn't been here in a few days, but I'll tell him to hop on this afternoon and check his messages. I'm sure he won't mind you using it though. LOL-i didn't even know that he made it! ;) 

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: nor do i, but i figured id put that up, until i found out the truth behind it ;) wether or not made by him, tis brilliant

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: iam at the moment searching for the pic of the dead pirates in PotC with the "pirates ye be warned" sighn, and make it into artthieves :P

2005-08-22 [Ariandra]: Ahhh, I'm sure he can tell you who it was, if not himself.

2005-08-22 [Linn Scarlett]: okidoki ^_^

2005-08-27 [Lothuriel]: our arrow symbol seems to be showing up all over Et...[Fire-n-Ash]...

2005-08-27 [Lothuriel]: has anyone thought of a name for the faker's wiki. [travs the bean] or someone had mentioned starting one to keep track of all those who are misusing the symbol. Not as a blacklist or anything but, as a way for us to keep up with who is who It would be terrible for our cover to be blown because someone official from dark arrow spoke freely to someone about hings because they saw they symbol and assumed they are a member. Perhaps we should post something in the dark arrow news?

2005-08-27 [Linn Scarlett]: no not yet *burried in homework -> exam year*

2005-08-28 [travs the bean]: i see - yeah let's post something in the news and i will get something up on the mainpage- i would like someone to also take the inative and create a fakes page- use the top graphic please

2005-08-28 [Linn Scarlett]: what about Dark Arrow Posers :P it sounds good no?

2005-08-28 [travs the bean]: would you be willing to set that up- am fine with it

2005-08-28 [Linn Scarlett]: ill do so when i find a gape ok?

2005-08-28 [Linn Scarlett]: DarkArrow Posers

2005-08-28 [Linn Scarlett]: Faerion is a semi friend of mine, i think she will remove it if i ask her

2005-10-31 [travs the bean]: so quiet within our halls- so silent we all are- do we move on or do we let this disappear into the shadows......

2005-10-31 [Linn Scarlett]: well iam working on my exams >_< so i havent been quiet on perpose but out of necessity *cries* stupid school

2005-10-31 [Erestor]: We need to start incouraging the members here to do more of what this group stands for.

2005-10-31 [Linn Scarlett]: ok. encourage me, cause i don't know what to do >_< and the halloween theme, its scary >_<

2005-10-31 [shotokan_gal]: Do? Well, a lots happened in elftown, since TEB (and presumably here) was formed. For the better I think though not everyone may agree, and there is more on the way... One does wonder what there is left apart from what we've *all* been doing - using elftown for its *original* purpose, promoting that to others, etc. Whether they've been directly related to here or not is another matter. *shrugs* I'm not sure if I'm making much sense here :/

2005-10-31 [shotokan_gal]: Just trying to say that we certainly havn't failed just because things are a bit less active on the wikis and such, but it's all an ongoing process, which the founders here with their fantastic initiative originally put in motion, and we all helped to prompt along. Guess I've been going with the flow personally, and apologies if I haven't been the bringer of original ideas or the like as much as I should. Though I think that's a bit difficult for all of us at the mo.

2005-10-31 [travs the bean]: the flow has been nice and improving it seems to have done- so what can we do to make this a unique little wiki- apart from that???

2005-11-01 [Ariandra]: I have been busy doing my part to root out problems and report them, and I know that rule changes are coming, too. Perhaps we should work together to put a little pressure on those who are constantly walking the rule lines. I was thinking of encouraging members to either become useful town members(or go away) through multiple messages from our numbers. 

2005-11-01 [Lothuriel]: The same with me [Ariandra]...I am doing my best. I will buckle down and get that cyber black list going for Erin and the rest of ya. 

2005-11-01 [Lerune]: Don't foget to encourage cyber soliciters to try www.fake.swedma.com . ;o) It is a cesspool of hormones. =oP

2005-11-01 [Linn Scarlett]: i know

2005-11-01 [Ariandra]: I've already got a list, Lothuriel. Erin has a link to it. I will send you one as well.

2005-11-01 [Lothuriel]: Thanks [Ariandra]. I am sorry I have been slacking.

2005-11-01 [Ariandra]: Don't be sorry, we all have real lives!

2005-11-01 [travs the bean]: i don't think anyone has been slacking- We all just are working on other projects and i am deciding what i should do with this place and a few others- is darkarrow needed or can it be turned into something a little more fun and club like?

2005-11-01 [Lothuriel]: It is up to you guys. I am willing to do whatever I can to help. Elftown means a lot to mean and I just want to help insure it stays around for a while. If the rest of you think we can handle these problems without this wiki then, so be it. I personally feel that as long as we keep a very close eye on things, we can help keep it under control. But, fun is good to have also...very good.

2005-11-01 [Ariandra]: I think it is a great place for the like-minded. And I like the idea of a private "clubhouse" where we can discuss these issues without being berated. There's no reason why we can't also have fun, is there? 8)

2005-11-01 [Lothuriel]: True, true.

2005-11-01 [shotokan_gal]: I like that idea :) though that's all I can contribute to the current discussion seeing as I'm about to dash off... >_> If worst comes to worst, the wiki would still be here if a new crisis befell elftown?

2005-11-02 [Linn Scarlett]: *chuckles* indeed, sides like Aria said, a private clubhouse for the like minded is nice ^_^

2006-02-18 [Erestor]: *removes dust* wow, no=has been here for a while.

2006-05-03 [travs the bean]: **coffs, looks at the dusty walls and smiles wickedly- ** hmmm let's reinvent this place shall we- open it up a little more - invitation only and start having a little fun, Maybe put the clans against each other....a power struggle - make the games within the halls a little more exciting- i am just thinking:)

2006-05-04 [travs the bean]: and who is left? let us call role - if you are still here speak and be merry and be part of creating something fun:)

2006-05-04 [Asryth]: Whoa! When was the last time this place was updated? I'm still here, Trav. Big surprise. LOL.

2006-05-04 [Linn Scarlett]: *crawls from under the dust*

2006-05-04 [TheRogue]: eh...WACHOOO!!!!! *sniffle* still here..

2006-05-04 [travs the bean]: Asryth, Linn, Rogue - ok anyone else?

2006-05-04 [Linn Scarlett]: *sneezes*

2006-05-05 [shotokan_gal]: *waves* just about :P though I've been trying to cut down on et time lately... meh. (Who'm I kidding!)

2006-05-05 [travs the bean]: so what can we do here to make things a little more lively:) i am thinking still keeping it invitation only but pit the houses against each other- sort of like doing scavenger hunts etc..... make them work as a team:)

2006-05-05 [TheRogue]: god i wish i had more time for that stuff... i don't have a connection at my house..and i'm sneaking around at work.. :(

2006-05-05 [Linn Scarlett]: i am near exams >.>

2006-06-05 [Ariandra]: I am still here, but the past few weeks have been so rough in real life that I haven't been around Elftown much...sorry. 

2006-06-05 [Linn Scarlett]: *nods and gives Loth a puppy look*

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: my friends of dark arrow- this wiki is about to go through some incredible changes- by choice- it will be more artistically driven- I have spoken with a few people who agree that it should be a pro active guild for the artist. One where ranks can be earned, lessons taught and abilities to be mastered. It will be for anyone that wants to go through the trials of an artist- but not everyone will be abe to make it- There will be rules and tests. I think it is time to give this place a new sort of rebirth.

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: my feelings is the dark arrow did not work the way i intended because there was good intent without direction. Well after some careful consideration I think value comes from working on things and feeling accomplishment- As a professional Artist i want to give some of that back and help others grow and find worth in their art. Anyone can be a pro. To those that are here- and still want to be part of this you are welcome to stay -for those who choose to go- i wish you luck-

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: in the coming days i will rework everything to help breath life back into the site. the rogue is helping in this - if you want to help make this project work and this guild for artist strong- than let us have fun

2006-06-13 [Elisha Kelly]: I am just fixing a few spelling mistakes... Under the knight... you have spelled tyoes instead of types :P

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: i appreciate that- i am an artist not a speller:)

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: need the password?

2006-06-13 [Calico Tiger]: "the squire" has a typo in front of it :D A "g" snuck in front of "the" *has on watch*

2006-06-13 [Elisha Kelly]: okay I only saw two. Envrionment (environment) in the first sentence and tyoes (types) under the Knight ranking. >.< I don't know how to spell environment... is that right?

2006-06-13 [Calico Tiger]: Looks right :)

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: Good - now to see the system work:) knights need to be found and position earned

2006-06-13 [Calico Tiger]: Question, do you mind people linking to this wiki in their house or do you wish it to remain unlinked and people invited into it by word-of-mouth instead? For example, putting the arrow in one's house and a link to the wiki underneath it. Or just the arrow?

2006-06-13 [shotokan_gal]: *ooohhhs* new stuff ^^

2006-06-13 [Linn Scarlett]: hmm nice remake

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: well it is in beta- until i get a few trials set up i am leary- i want it to work but i guess everything is a learning process- i just think having a few knight to train the squires would help.

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: before jumping the gun- thoughts?

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: i guess with the first few knights- maybe they need to petition with a strong piece in a specific field just to get it going- the key is to prove you can do it.

2006-06-13 [Calico Tiger]: Yar, contests within and between various ranks every once in a while would be fun! Competition tends to help kick people in the pants for doing their best or for inspiration, etc...

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: please go through each field and see if it is in working order

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: i agree calico:) i really enjoyed the fight pic between us:)

2006-06-13 [Calico Tiger]: I need to work more on my pic ;) Mostly it's the poses that are driving me crazy >_> But, it's a great excuse to practice more on them :D

2006-06-13 [TheRogue]: outstanding! I will have to get workin.. :D

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: well then let's get people on the list and we'll move people around as needed

2006-06-13 [Calico Tiger]: I don't volunteer myself. I want to start out at yellow and work my way up :D I have many deficiencies that I need to work on >_>

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: fair enough- i like that- the road wil be tough but if you are willing it will be worth it:)

2006-06-13 [Elisha Kelly]: errr.... so where am i??? yellow or green :P (I should prolly know this but it isn't even 9am yet... and the brain doesn't kick in till then...)

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: ok posted an example of a trial in the knights section-

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: i'll move you up:) pick yellow and your trial will remain as is for now which is your character creation

2006-06-13 [Elisha Kelly]: kewllies...

2006-06-13 [TheRogue]: i figure travs is the only master here.. he should decide placement for the starting members.. :D

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: ok i have the second trial done in the knight section

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: i'll come up with some more later

2006-06-13 [Calico Tiger]: The trials look great!

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: now i have something to start with :) i think we can begin

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: also let's start with invites: and after a week or so we will open it up- go ahead and place the marks and ranks if you would like- if people ask tell them - we are not about to turn any away

2006-06-13 [Calico Tiger]: Working on my member page :D I guess this works out well with us as guinnea pigs as I have a few questions ;) In the petition, what are you looking for? I think soon as we have one of us up, others will be able to use it as an example of what exactly goes where and what is being looked for. Ie, do we put example artwork and how we wish to grow in the petition area? I figure I'll be good at asking the "idiot's-guide-to" questions ;)

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: lol- we here to figure all that out- i think it would be well to post your artwork in your member page as well as your petition- that keeps everything in one place- and then as you go through your trials we'll post your trial art there as well- once you pass a level you should delete the picks to keep it from getting to big and for the exceptional pieces we can do a hall of fame. Once you page is done just post your name in the youngling section and i'll begin moving you all up

2006-06-13 [Calico Tiger]: Okies, I'll post in there what I can, and then let you smack it and say "Bad Cali! This goes here. No cookie for you!"

2006-06-13 [Perplexity]: Hello, guild members! I was hoping to find someone else already had a page up *nudges Cali* to set an example for the rest of us. =) 

2006-06-13 [Calico Tiger]: *shakes a fist in the air* Damn you, Plex! Okies, this is what I got so far: Dark Arrow: Calico Tiger. Which is only the very very very very base template with a few changes >_> I've still gotta enter an actual petition and some examples

2006-06-13 [Calico Tiger]: Which is why I haven't posted it yet, btw >_>

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: just put what you want to start on in your journey to knight hood- pencils, layout or what ever and i'll find the right trail for you- you do realize that some of the trials will actually start with you on a whim:)

2006-06-13 [Calico Tiger]: *feels special* >:P

2006-06-13 [Elisha Kelly]: muhahahaha! I have returned... and will now make my page :P

2006-06-13 [Evilmonk]: K. I'm in. Lemme read over what I gotta do here.

2006-06-13 [travs the bean]: this is mine Dark Arrow:travs the bean i am still finishing some things off

2006-06-14 [Elisha Kelly]: ha ha ha I am going to have the most interesting backstory I think XDDDD

2006-06-14 [TheRogue]: got mine started.. :D

2006-06-14 [Evilmonk]: dark arrow: evilmonk I think I might have it but correct me if I screwed it up.

2006-06-14 [travs the bean]: it looks good- just post it in the youngling forum and we will get things moving

2006-06-14 [Perplexity]: Should our petition be a new drawing? I feel like nothing I got in the archives is good enough, but I guess the point is to see where you need to improve anyway right? =/

2006-06-14 [Elisha Kelly]: o.O dude your artiness is awesome... there is bound to be something you like... just pick your favourites... XDDD

2006-06-14 [Calico Tiger]: I put in old stuff and new alike. Wanted some pictures that showed some of the flaws I want to kick out (or at least smooth out a little bit) XD

2006-06-14 [travs the bean]: ok working on some new test:) give me a little bit- Rogue is a knight and will be picking a squire shortly- which will prob be our #3 guy evil monk:)

2006-06-14 [travs the bean]: we're gonna have to make that image smaller rogue, maybe pull the arrows out- and the background and let the shield stand alone- or maybe we can the feel of the take elftown back badges for skills?

2006-06-14 [Ariandra]: I like the direction this society is going, but I am disappointed since I have no artistic talent that I can put on paper. Good luck!   

2006-06-14 [Evilmonk]: Should we put up more than one pic in our petition? Everyone else has more than one so feel like scum now. =(

2006-06-14 [travs the bean]: one will do- Ariandra i think maybe we should set up something similiar for writers

2006-06-14 [travs the bean]: rogue i mmoved the badge to the planning room:) lets chat over there:) we'll pick sizes, themes etc over there

2006-06-14 [Ariandra]: A writing society would be nice, I'll look forward to that. 

2006-06-14 [travs the bean]: we'll lets get this one working right and then i can help put a writing one together- maybe a few of the writers can set up the guidelines and we'll come up with the art

2006-06-14 [Perplexity]: ok, Im up in the yellow! *jig*

2006-06-14 [travs the bean]: the third trial is up

2006-06-15 [Linn Scarlett]: *drops flat* all those comments

2006-06-15 [travs the bean]: hiya linn- just working it all out

2006-06-15 [Linn Scarlett]: so i noticed

2006-06-15 [travs the bean]: :) ok we are working on the knight badges now- I think i will break them into three degrees for each section. Perplex I will prob need you to go through and edit them:)

2006-06-15 [Perplexity]: Whatever I can do to help!

2006-06-15 [Evilmonk]: Tina has this thing about spelling...it HAS to be right....personal urk I guess.

2006-06-15 [travs the bean]: hey it will save us headaches:)

2006-06-15 [Evilmonk]: It's fer the best.

2006-06-15 [travs the bean]: ok - please go to the trials and the red shield page and see if those changes help

2006-06-16 [Lothuriel]: I leave and everything changes...

2006-06-16 [TheRogue]: change for the better... :D

2006-06-16 [Perplexity]: ...especially if it's underwear.

2006-06-16 [TheRogue]: hey.. where I come from.. underwear has TWO sides.. >P

2006-06-16 [Perplexity]: LMAO - It's good for another week, honey!

2006-06-16 [TheRogue]: *sniff* *sniff*...yep.. at least the weekend.. ROFL

2006-06-16 [Perplexity]: *sprays air freshner* =9

2006-06-16 [Calico Tiger]: So that's what one of those funky smells in the bunny hole is.... :O

2006-06-16 [Perplexity]: One of... heheh

2006-06-16 [travs the bean]: let us stay on track.....:)

2006-06-19 [Lothuriel]: yes, change for the better...I suppose I have been feeling a bit guilty for abandoning you guys.

2006-06-19 [Linn Scarlett]: Is lothy back? Lothy is back! *cheers*

2006-06-19 [Linn Scarlett]: Oh and Travs, the trials seem FUN :D

2006-06-19 [Perplexity]: I am finding the 100 Heads Trial really helpful.

2006-06-19 [Linn Scarlett]: Yeah me too -_-

2006-06-19 [Elisha Kelly]: dude... I like was gonna start the 100 heads... but I don't know my style... my cartoons are way to simple, but I really don't want to go too realistic... I mean 100 heads is a lotta heads... so I am kinda stuck...

2006-06-19 [Lothuriel]: I am not sure if I am back or not. I don't have a clue as to what is going on...

2006-06-19 [Linn Scarlett]: It's gonna be fun for sure ^_^ Gahh... I sucketh at different face, cause I just love the way I draw Drow at the moment -_-' and I am too lazy to figure out more for my barbarians all on my own

2006-06-19 [Elisha Kelly]: XDD different faces I can do... but I am stuck with my styles... i'll spend a few days scribbling and getting comfortable with a style then give it a go :P

2006-06-19 [Linn Scarlett]: I am stuck *in* my styles. Though my barbarians need a facial update for sure -_-' I finally found for the Drow a detailing I like (you can best see it in the one of Meldor alonesies) though I am still bickering over the female drow face -_-

2006-06-19 [Lothuriel]: Your art is awesome! I don't think I will rejoin Darkarrow right now. I see what is going on here (yeah, I finally took the time to read it all hehe) and I either can't do half of it or just simply don't have the time. It is a really good idea though. Awesome idea actually.\

2006-06-19 [Elisha Kelly]: XDDDD well unless it comes to racial lines like specific eyes and such, I think you can go anywhere with a face... :} *likes drawing faces*

2006-06-19 [Elisha Kelly]: *pokes [Lothuriel]* you could do it slowly in coffee breaks XDD I find I definately have less time now too.. I am falling behind in everything... *needs organization*

2006-06-19 [Lothuriel]: I hope this wiki fares better than the Jedi Council. It has pretty much died and that is really sad. It is such an awesome wiki! Coffee breaks? Whats that? LOL..the only reason I am on now is because the kids are eating breakfast and not trying to kill each other!

2006-06-19 [Elisha Kelly]: tee hee... I am cause the kids are sleeping... lately I have been jumping on between chores... and crying babies...

2006-06-19 [Lothuriel]: Same here...

2006-06-19 [Lothuriel]: So, do I just put name in the yellow artist wiki for now? 

2006-06-19 [Linn Scarlett]: Well Ely, I do want to keep hold to the typical-barbarian-like appearance, so I can't go nancying around by prettying up their faces, so to say.

2006-06-19 [Elisha Kelly]: yup... you make a page... with your stat thingys... :} and I know what you mean [Linn Scarlett] I was touring Deviantart, and some of the male drawings looked more like women... o.O

2006-06-19 [Linn Scarlett]: Seeing barbarians without bodily hair really gets on my nerves after a while *sighs*

2006-06-19 [travs the bean]: Well - it's at your own pace- the wiki is now really geared to improving one's art. as people master the trials they get to teach others. It's really what you make of it- I set the trials up to be hard for a reason and it all boils down to how to make it happen- being busy is a natural part of life. (2 jobs(full time illustration work), 4 kids, a sweet wife, and a publishing company...i understand busy) but i also want to grow - i still do these trials:) and i do them during my breaks, lunch, doctors office waiting rooms etc.... It all comes down to how bad you want to grow as an artist- professional or amature doesn't matter they are the same.

2006-06-19 [Perplexity]: I don't know if anyone has said this yet, but THANK YOU, travs, for putting forth so much effort in order for ALL of us to grow as artists. This is why you are one of the most appreciated people in this community.

2006-06-19 [travs the bean]: it takes the same effort and the same determination- i think everyone has the opportunity or chance- they just need to do their part and then slowly things happen. Nothing comes overnight. It took 10 years for me to publish the brokenmoon stories, 10 long years- but it was well worth it- so hopefully i can offer some of that experiance to those that want it. Your joining darkarrow is up to you, what you get out of darkarrow is also up to you. for some it will be fun- for others it is going to be another elftown fad for a bit than nothing. :) I'm in it to help others grow and find those of likemind

2006-06-19 [Lothuriel]: I know that, that is why I am here..*hugs*