2011-05-19 [Akayume]: Isn't all this information given elsewhere on various official wikis?

2011-05-20 [Paul Doyle]: It's probably time for you to make your own site. Heed [Akayume]'s words. Don't waste time reinventing the wheel.

2011-05-20 [kians mummy]: but this one, its all in one

2011-05-20 [Artsieladie]: I rather like all the information in ONE place. :)

2011-05-20 [kians mummy]: like this x

2011-05-20 [Artsieladie]: Yesh! :) x

2011-05-20 [Artsieladie]: What is really needed here in lieu of [Hedda]'s implementation of the new uploading for the photo and drawing slots, and as well as for art, is a full and complete explanation about just how it is to be done. I know I'm not the only one that is having difficulty understanding exactly how it works. There are questions in regards to this that could certainly use some answers. :P

2011-05-20 [kians mummy]: thanks x)

2011-05-20 [kians mummy]: very true, and some rule amending lol, :c)

2011-05-20 [Mystin]: Nice work!

2011-05-20 [kians mummy]: same goes to you, who is the staff member lol

2011-05-20 [Mystin]: Oh lol he's a friend of mine and yeah you'll see more of him. He's cool, don't worry.

2011-05-20 [kians mummy]: note: we are looking for 4 more staff members who can be trusted to be polite and be able to deal with peoples problems when they feel something is going wrong or that something is wrong with the crew and may be able to try turn things around

thanks,
manager [kians mummy]
co-manager [Mystin]

2011-05-20 [kians mummy]: good, i won't

2011-05-22 [djxmonster]: Can I be a staff member?

2011-05-22 [kians mummy]: when you earn our trust

2011-05-22 [djxmonster]: How would I do that?

2011-05-22 [kians mummy]: by for starters, stopping with the sarcastic comments, and being rude, and actually being nice, and not rude to me

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: Yeeeeaaaaah... I don't respond will to stupidity so I doubt that's going to happen...

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: Don't you ever call [kians mummy] stupid. She's brilliant.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: XD
Apparently you've never seen anything she's posted...

2011-05-23 [Paul Doyle]: At one time Germans thought Hitler was cool.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: Paul, I love you...

2011-05-23 [Paul Doyle]: Like a brutha from anotha mutha!

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: She is amazing and all your doing is trolling, take it somewhere else.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: See Wiki Reports.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: ?

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: Bottom left hand side of this wiki.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: I'm not harassing nor destroying :)

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: What do you call it to come here and insult the owner?

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: I never directly called anyone anything....

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: So you forgot calling [kians mummy] stupid?

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: Point out where I called her anything. I said I don't respond will to stupidity. I never called anyone anything directly.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: You made a direct insinuation.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: in·sin·u·at·ing (n-sny-tng)
adj.
1. Provoking gradual doubt or suspicion; suggestive

XD

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: [kians mummy] I apologize for the random chat but these people continue to troll your wikis.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: What is trolling anyway? It's a relative term.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: derp

2011-05-23 [Triola]: This might be a silly question, but can I ask what the purpose of this wiki is? Because right now it just looks like a compilation between report and the uploading art rules, which means I can read the exact same thing there. And the wiki doesn't say anything more specific about its purpose, which left me wondering :)

2011-05-23 [kians mummy]: its because the page is an all in one, witch is not finished yet

2011-05-23 [Triola]: Ah, alright. So you plan to collect all information relevant for the regular Elftowner and put it into one big wikipage, is that it? :)

2011-05-23 [kians mummy]: yep, and also need help

2011-05-23 [Triola]: But what is the purpose of collecting it all? Do you think the current help pages are insufficient? Or difficult to locate?

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Well, they are pretty secluded to be honest. I had to look for them earlier and didn't see them on mainstreet. I couldn't google them, so I just went to bored??? to find the links I needed.

2011-05-23 [Triola]: Yeah, and the help link in the top right corner links to a very unhelpful page, and although it does link to help at the bottom, perhaps it should go directly there. I might take this to the suggestions forum.

2011-09-12 ['Hana.]: xD oh gosh. it's amusing stalking [Mystin]

2011-09-21 [kians mummy]: This is whay I came up with bored???.

2011-10-10 [Sir_Hans]: This image at the top of this page is the logo image from www.elftown.org :


http://www.elftown.org/_/rsrc/1283246943777/config/customLogo.gif

The copyright belongs to [Artsieladie], aka Sharon Donnelly. Was permission granted by her to use it? I'm just inquiring.

2011-10-10 [Mortified Penguin]: No, it wasn't. What are you gonna do about it?

2011-10-10 [kians mummy]: Yes, I asked her to do this for me, she helped me do it all.

2011-10-10 [Akayume]: Aren't you and Artsie a couple? Couldn't you just ask her?

2011-10-10 [Paul Doyle]: Aren't you and Artsie the same person? ;-)

2011-10-11 [Mortified Penguin]: No, we're not. Why would you think that? I don't even look like Artsie.

Maybe you're thinking of [Sir_Hans].

2011-10-11 [Paul Doyle]: Sho'nuff, Mort. :P

2011-10-11 [Sir_Hans]: Mortified Penguin: If her copyright is infringed upon, there will be proceedings brought against the owner of this site.

Sammie h!: I asked Sharon and here is what she said:

"No, I did not. Mystin was helping Sammie with both manuals. I helped her with the Pet Store for which she has my permission to use the graphics I made for the wiki and for the purpose intended only. Since I like Sammie, she can use the Elftown.org logo on the Elftowners Manuel page, but for any other use my permission must be obtained. Also about the Death Poetry the same applies, the graphics I made for it may be used but only for the purpose intended."

Akayume: No Sharon and I are not a couple in the romantic sense if this is what you are asking. I would like this but as of right now, we are very good friends and this will never change.

Paul Doyle: Is this what you would like or are you theorising this hoping Sharon won't have a person to support her at all? I think I'll simply let you theorise what you will but you may want to take a look at Copyright Status Verified because it appears you have come up with some erroneous theories of your own.

Mortified Penguin: You are right. Sharon is much more pleasing to the eye.

2011-10-11 [Akayume]: In either case, you could probably still ask her first (since she is a great friend of yours and I assume Sammie is less so) and then perhaps send a private message to Sammie if you think there has been a problem that needs to be solved? (:

2011-10-11 [Mortified Penguin]: "If her copyright is infringed upon, there will be proceedings brought against the owner of this site."

So if I or some other random user steals her copyrighted images, you'll go after [Hedda] and not us?

2011-10-11 [Sir_Hans]: Akayume: Asking all involved is the proper procedure. The private means is no longer applicable since Sharon is under public scrutiny and defamation of character.

Mortified Penguin: All involved.

Thank you Mortified Penguin, Sammie h!, Akayume, and Paul Doyle. You have been most helpful. 

2011-10-11 [Paul Doyle]: We've never seen a photo of you with Sharon in all of these years, Hans. Most couples are eager to show off at least one photo of themselves regardless what anyone else might think.

2011-10-11 [Paul Doyle]: Just for the record . . . I don't run this site, I don't want to, but if I did I'd see to it all contested images that were uniquely made by Sharon, sent back to the artist on a neutral, heavily monitored site. Then every last one of these images, no matter how big or small, would be deleted from ET's servers. (Looking around ET, I see fewer than ten people who use any of her graphics to begin with.) However, if some of her photomanips are based on someone else's photos (like Lilo the cat, for example) then this opens a new can of worms since there is a legitimate claim on both sides.

Bear in mind, though, I am no expert. And as far as cash donations go? Heck, a donation is a donation. Everyone sometimes donates money to places they later regret, but unless there's criminal fraud happening with the nonprofit organization(s) involved, that donation cannot be returned since it is just that . . . a cash donation. The burden falls upon the donor to know who to donate to (a reputable charity or a winning presidential candidate, for example) and who not to donate to (a charity whose donations largely wind up in the pockets of corporate executives who have enough money already) or a presidential candidate who either loses or walks away from the race after she's already gotten a lot of donation money (like Sarah Palin's cop-out for 2012). Nobody's going to be screaming at Sarah Palin to return their donation money, because that's not the way donations are meant to be, and in the end the biggest fool is the fool who donated to the bigwig fool.

If I ran this site, I'd return Sharon's little-used graphics that are uniquely hers (and not based on someone else's photos!), delete the said graphics from the ET servers, not refund a cent of the money donated by Sharon, and keep her and all her clone houses forever barred and IP-banned from any of these Heddate websites. And then I'd move on not looking back, making the graphic overhaul of Elftown a top priority. 

But then again, I do not run Elftown though I've no compunctions about sticking my neck out for this website from time to time.

2011-10-11 [Sir_Hans]: Paul Doyle: Therefore since we don't elect to pose ourselves to appeal to Paul Doyle's liking, we are not real? People pose photos all the time -supposedly- of themselves, but does this always mean they ARE who they say they are or because they say the -photo- says so? I can -feel- the wind, but I cannot -see- it. Does this mean the wind does not exist then? Also you are -theorising-.

All -contested- images? Sharon does not deny doing some work with photo manipulation or editing. She has stated she does in many places. She did Lilo with the aid of photos of Lilo and she does not deny this. For you to -assume- or -theorise- and make falsely founded innuendo against her art is a display of animosity you have towards Sharon and my -theory- but given the information you have provided here, I am within reasonable means to -assume- or -theorise- this.

-How- did -cash donations- become part of the topic here?

Her graphics and art aren't the -only- genres here of -her- creation.

How knowledgeable are you with -digital- art?

2011-10-11 [djxmonster]: I'll say it...

WHO CARES

2011-10-11 [Triola]: I will second that. And also, haven't you guys said all there is to say in this AGE OLD fight? It's pretty clear you'll never see eye to eye, so why get into it here?

2011-10-11 [Paul Doyle]: I'm just sticking up for this site, that's all. But now I'm done.

2011-10-11 [kians mummy]: She clearly said when she was on here, that members can use her stuff when ever they please as long as they only use it on Elftown, I still have the message.

2011-10-11 [kians mummy]: [Paul Doyle], and what A brilliant site it is to stick up for.

2011-10-11 [kians mummy]: [Sir_Hans] I want to do the best for the people on this wiki, as I don't want the arguements so there for, you are being asked to leave this wiki as its not for arguements, which you have caused it's for helping elftowners.

2011-10-11 [djxmonster]: Just to be clear, I'm on your side Paul... My comment was directed at Hansolo

2011-10-11 [Lothuriel]: According to the law, the minute Sharon uploaded her "art" to Elftown Graphics as "free to use graphics" in Elftown, she gave up her legal right to say how they can or cannot be used in elftown.  She only posted her ridiculous rant about copyright and use of her work after she decided everyone was out to get her.  Besides most of her "copyrighted" work is made from other people's copyrighted images from other websites such as Elftown, ClipArt.com, etc. So, give it a rest will you? Stop harassing people you were banned for a reason! Oh, wait...that's right, Hans and Sharon are not the same person. 

2011-10-11 [Paul Doyle]: You rock, Loth! Han Solo, you're making Princess Leia sad, and now her brother Luke Skywalker is getting some seriously bad trembling through the Force.

2011-10-12 [Alexi Ice]: What in the world is this O.o

2011-10-12 [Lothuriel]: That ---> 0.o appears to be a very confused little ASCII face.

2011-10-12 [Lothuriel]: Speaking of which, have you guys seen the website where this dude makes phenomenal art work using computer symbols? I will see if I can find it.

2011-10-12 [Alexi Ice]: Very funny, Loth

2011-10-12 [Mortified Penguin]: Actually, that sounds familiar. I think Bob's Diner is the place you're looking for, Loth.

2011-10-12 [kians mummy]: [Lothuriel] Is very right in what she says, once you put your art onto a web page, you have given them the automatic right in using her art in all areas of ELftown, but I would of thought it would be all Heddate sites.

[Paul Doyle] Your a good guy and you know what your talking about and very good about saying what you want to say and I'm on your side to.

2011-10-13 [Stephen]: I think it would be extremely healthy for a certain female to just let the past be the past, and try to look past the interwebz in her life. :3

/watches page since it's amusing

2011-10-14 [kians mummy]: *Puts full stop at the end of [Stephen]'s sentance. .*

2011-10-14 [Stephen]: I don't think "/watches page since it's amusing" is a complete sentence. xD