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Elftown Graphics is a collection of free images which don't break the Uploading Art Rules that you can use to decorate your house and wiki pages.

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Rules of Use

Do not claim to be the artist of the image unless you are the artist.
It would be nice if you also put who the Elftown Artist is beneath the image(s), or at least a link back to this page somewhere in your bio.

Do not edit the image in any way.

Do not use the image outside of Elftown
.
Remember, these images were made by Elftowners, for Elftowners, for use in Elftown, so don't put these images elsewhere or you'll lose the privilege of using these images at all.

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EG Sections

EG Banners - Banners for Advertising Elftown Graphics.
EG Bullets - Bullets, Buttons, and Bits.
EG Dividers - Lines, Dividers, and Page Breaks.
EG Fantasy Races - Elftown Fantasy Race Personality Images.
EG Misc - Miscellaneous Images That Do Not Belong To A Category.
EG Seasonal - Holiday Themed Images.
EG Welcome Mats - Welcoming Messages for Elfhouses and Wiki Pages.
EG Words - Images That Contain Only or Mostly Words And Are Not Welcome Mats.
EG Zodiac symbols - Zodiac Images

EG Special Artist's Sections - Each artist who has donated at least 20 images gets his or her own wiki to put the images on. Look here for artist-specific images you can use.

Nonimages - Not really a part of Elftown Graphics but this is where you can find bullets and dividers that don't apply to the 10 images limit in your house.

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Directions for Donating Images

*All images must be approved by the Elftown Graphics Group. Please place your donations on the page Elftown Graphics Submissions for approval. Please read the rules listed on the submission page before submitting

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To find a list of those who have generously donated to Elftown Graphics, go to: EG Artists.


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2005-02-05 [shudson]: step 1: read the rules on this page

2005-02-12 [ChibiYuffie77]: Can I be an Elftown Artist?

2005-02-12 [ChibiYuffie77]: I can show you some of the thing i made look.

2005-02-12 [ChibiYuffie77]: ummm...sorry is it not good enough value?

2005-02-12 [ChibiYuffie77]: Or did i rush?

2005-02-12 [Ghost Lilly]: the image is broken

2005-02-12 [Charybdis]: You don't have to show anyone; just place your art in the appropriate section of EG ^_^

2005-02-12 [Kaimee]: but before you can place it there, you need to go to your elftown House, and upload those files in the 'drawing' slot, because you cant use them straight from your computer files.

2005-02-13 [ChibiYuffie77]: oh ok, but do i have to ask hedda to be an artist?

2005-02-13 [shudson]: no, it just has to be your own art and put it in the section it belongs, don't post it here

2005-02-13 [Zab]: Are there anyone out there who knows how to use photoshop? I know it can´t be easy to explain, but please try, and message me ^^

2005-02-13 [Sunrose]: You can read some info here: ECGT Deiscorides Photoshop Tutorials :)

2005-02-13 [Zab]: thanx!

2005-02-13 [Sunrose]: Welcome :)

2005-02-13 [Zab]: ^^

2005-02-15 [ChibiYuffie77]: That right there IS my own art.

2005-02-15 [ChibiYuffie77]: but, i will delete it if you like. thanx though.

2005-02-15 [ChibiYuffie77]: I'm gonna delete my dividers starting now.

2005-02-15 [Zab]: why, if it is yours?...*i´m not getting a thing...*

2005-02-15 [Ghost Lilly]: They wernt saying it wasnt your own art, they where saying: No you dont have to ask Hedda and just saying the only requirements to put stuff up on this page is it has to be your own art and you got to put it in the secition it belongs.

2005-02-16 [ChibiYuffie77]: OHHHHH!!! I get it. So am i an elftown artist. I longed to have this job i have a bout 29 dividers I can't count how many.

2005-02-16 [Charybdis]: If you've added your images to the EG Dividers section, then yes, I suppose you are :)

2005-02-16 [Ghost Lilly]: *shakes [ChibiYuffie77]'s hand congrats. ^_^

2005-02-22 [ChibiYuffie77]: Why thank you very much!

2005-02-24 [Charybdis]: Don't forget to add yourself to the list of EG Artists and the Elftown Art Donation Records! :)

2005-02-26 [ChibiYuffie77]: whoa! this is harder than i thought!

2005-02-26 [Zab]: Should everyone who have donated something go to elftown art donation records? I havn´t...

2005-02-27 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: yes, you should.

2005-02-27 [Zab]: ok...I´ll do. Wich list in there should I Sign? All?

2005-02-27 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: Yip! ^_^

2005-02-27 [Zab]: All of the three lists?!

2005-02-27 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: 3??  Just EG Artists and Elftown Art Donations Records that I know of.

2005-02-27 [Zab]: yeah, but in Elftowm art donation records there are three more list to chose of...ecxept EG and the link in here...

2005-02-27 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: No! Those are official pages (as far as I remember) Those will be updated by someone else?? Someone please correct em if I'm wrong!

2005-02-27 [Sunrose]: The Elftown Art Donation Records is an official page where Elftown members can fill in how much they donated (in general, so not just to Elftown Graphics, but also other official Elftown donations). On EG Graphics they can show they are Elftown Graphics-donors. // The other pages are official ones that are updated by an appointed person. So you don't have to worry about those :)

2005-02-27 [Zab]: great! ^.^

2005-02-27 [Wes Foxx]: Correct me if im wrong: to donate art we just go to the appropriate wiki page and insert it, and wait for someone to notice that we gave ET something to become a recognized donor?

2005-02-27 [Zab]: dunno...HI Foxx!

2005-02-27 [Wes Foxx]: Haldo. I'll have to remember the answer for later, just got an excruciatingly specific art request Xx

2005-02-27 [Zab]: whats "excruciatingly"? And what kind of request?

2005-02-27 [Sunrose]: [Wes Foxx]: if you donate to Elftown Graphics, you have to write on the Elftown Art Donation Records how many images you donated. Only then will you be added to the offical wikis. After that you will have to be patient for your badge...(For contests it's different.)

2005-02-27 [Wes Foxx]: got it =)

2005-03-03 [ChibiYuffie77]: It might take a long time to bring all my donations here. its on my other computer and my bro doesn't like me going on elftown.

2005-03-03 [Wes Foxx]: tch, whyever not?

2005-03-05 [shudson]: I've retired from Elftown Graphics. [font] is in charge now.

2005-03-05 [Charybdis]: Oh, why?

2005-03-05 [cyber_mad]: I STILL AINT GOT MY BADGE, AND I DONATED AGES AGO

2005-03-05 [Zab]: I hav´nt got any neither...but It wasn´t so long ago I donated---

2005-03-05 [Cathos]: Hush, it was a good while before I got mine. Be patient!

2005-03-05 [Charybdis]: You shouldn't be donating to EG just because you want a badge anyways :p You'll get it eventually!

2005-03-05 [Zab]: I didn´t even know of the badges when I did...

2005-03-05 [Charybdis]: There you go! That's the spirit! lol

2005-03-05 [Zab]: ^_^

2005-03-06 [Jewl]: Wow... you get badges? Neat! I've donated... like... alot... *laughs*

2005-03-06 [Charybdis]: It's the 'squirrel' badge. There are also the 'centipede' and 'millipede' badges, depending on how many images you've donated.

2005-03-06 [Sunrose]: And to what... ;)

2005-03-06 [Charybdis]: That too! :p

2005-03-06 [Jewl]: Huh... I never knew...

2005-03-06 [Charybdis]: Well, you learn something new every day ^_^

2005-03-06 [Wes Foxx]: I wanna donate stuff but i have no ideas for what to do =/ what do most people coming here look for?

2005-03-06 [Charybdis]: If you're stuck for ideas, look around in the various sections of EG to see what others have done. Also, ask yourself, "what would I be looking for if I came here?" What would you like for your house that isn't here yet? Make that ^_^

2005-03-06 [Wes Foxx]: Well, that WOULD work, except I'm undeniably weird and don't think like normal people, so I have no idea what they'd be looking for. The best I got is page dividers, and I personally find those to be mostly annoying because the <*center><*img:><*/center> thing takes up 2 1/2 rows in your description when you're working on it. =/

2005-03-06 [Zab]: I need help! All channels in photoshop has disapeard, and everything is gray!

2005-03-07 [Sunrose]: [Zab]: hmm?

2005-03-07 [Zab]: It´s ok, I´ve just fixed it. ^_^ (know this isn´t the right place to ask, but the only I could find...)

2005-03-07 [Charybdis]: *blinks*

2005-03-08 [Fizban]: hey can anyone tell me the link to the chinese year grapics like the sheep and dog and dragon them yah know?? i was told i could find them here...

2005-03-08 [Fizban]: lol thanks alot:)

2005-03-09 [ChibiYuffie77]: Please answer this question!

2005-03-09 [ChibiYuffie77]: Where do i put my bullets they seem to not fit anywhere! I put in the html for my bullets but nothing seems to appear!

2005-03-09 [ChibiYuffie77]: please help me!

2005-03-09 [ChibiYuffie77]: Oh yeah and one more thing can i put my own wiki page graphics on this page?

2005-03-09 [Charybdis]: If you have bullets, put them up in EG Bullets 2. What do you mean, they don't seem to fit anywhere? O_o

2005-03-09 [font]: [ChibiYuffie77] Once you have more than 20 reasonable images, and have set up a wiki for your images following the template that the others have used, you can send me a message and we'll see about getting you a link from here.

2005-03-11 [jamesipoo]: Lol,I am always to scared to make a thing for my images because I am afraid i'll break a rule or something lol..........

2005-03-11 [Charybdis]: All the information's there. Just follow the template everyone else has used, and if something's not quite right then [font] will tell you. That's why your wiki is looked at before it's added. It's not like ET is going to ban you for setting up your own EG section ^_^

2005-03-11 [Wes Foxx]: I'd love to give everyone stuff for their houses and I've got the ideas, but without something decent to use like Photoshop, its just not ET quality work.

2005-03-11 [Charybdis]: I've heard that there are some free downloadable programs - names like Gimp and Pixia come to mind. Photoshop, while it does make things easier, is not absolutely necessary. Even Paint can be used to make things like dividers and bullets. :)

2005-03-11 [Cathos]: [Wes Foxx]: If you do your work on plain paper, ink it and colour it carefully, then scan it, you won't need a computer programme. I like your work, and it would certainly be good enough for here if you inked it. Even a black biro would help.

2005-03-11 [Wes Foxx]: Eh... Ink hates me with a passion >< One of my favorite drawings ever was totally ruined in inking (this was before my scanner)

2005-03-12 [Cathos]: If I think I'm going to ruin something, I scan it before Istart inking it. This sometimes doesn't happen as I get impatient and want to get on and finish the piece (the scanner I use is in the University library and the opening hours are eratic at best).

2005-03-12 [Wes Foxx]: Well now it doesnt matter. My laptop decided that even though it can still pick up the wireless signal, it wont actually let me use the internet if the computer with the wireless router is turned on. =/

2005-03-12 [jamesipoo]: lol

2005-03-16 [BlackDragon]: <URL:stuff/Deiscorides_135_Custom_PS7_Styles_Large_00.jpg> Does this one ONLY work on Photoshop v 7??

2005-03-17 [Aidan Ryuko]: o.O I think it might work on paint shop pro but it's pretty hard to put it in as patterns, I want the 86th one! the purple one

2005-03-17 [BlackDragon]: I found it at ECGT Resources and it says that its for PS v 7, but I have v 8.01. I downloaded it and put it in a map called styles, but it didnt work. Oh, and my photoshop is in swedish, does that make any differance?

2005-03-17 [Skydancer]: you downloaded the ASL file? that is the actual styles that has to go in the style folder, not the JPG that shows what the styles look like.

2005-03-17 [BlackDragon]: Yes, I downloaded the file. When it was ready I clicked on it and PS came up but it said that it couldnt find the file and so on. Or does it simly not work with another version...?

2005-03-17 [Skydancer]: well, that I do not know though usually styles work for any version above what they were created in. I placed it in my styles folder in presets in the adoble program but then I do have version 7. you do not open the file directly though, you have to open photoshop, open your styles window and then load that style set from inside the program.

2005-03-17 [Panda-monium]: Hey, what about, back grounds for welcome mats? Like, they don't have any font on them, just back grounds, and people can put what ever they like on them, or use them for banners, or what ever. *shrugs*

2005-03-20 [The real life Bella Swan]: I've got a question would this: <img:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/Lissa_liss/Elftown%20Banners/Noassholezone.jpg> go under EG Welcome Mats or EG Words? I'll put it under EG Welcome Mats for now. If it'd be better under the other then someone can move it.

2005-03-20 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: I'd say It would go under EG Words.

2005-03-20 [The real life Bella Swan]: Ok, I can move it then.

2005-03-26 [Piercedskull]: hi

2005-03-29 [Mental Terrorist]: hahahaa

2005-03-29 [Illona]: Hello [Piercedskull] hows you?

2005-04-09 [Wes Foxx]: Hmmm... not entirely convinced that the anthro badges im making would be candidates for the Elftown Graphics, they're like the dollpalace creation things so im sure they're allowed in your house, especially since I posted the site i used to create them and even the patch edit i use to create them =/ Help? (The stuff has been moved to the Avatar Factory just in case its not allowed in my house despite all the stuff I tried to do to make sure it won't violate any of the rules)

2005-04-09 [Blasphemous Rumours]: Can anyone tell me the, i don't know what they're called, emm, colour codes for the wiki backgrounds and the house backgrounds? I would be very grateful!!

2005-04-09 [Cathos]: I don't know them, but I press the print screen button ("Print Scrn" between F12 and Scroll Lock on my keyboard), do a ctrl +v into a new document in my graphics programme, then use the colour picker tool to add them to my palette. Hope that helps. :)

2005-04-09 [Cathos]: Just a general question, is this (http://elftown.lysator.liu.se/stuff/theft_dalek_house.jpg) allowed? It incorporates my own fanart, but the concept (Doctor Who and the Daleks) is copyrighted to the BBC.

2005-04-10 [Skydancer]: http://www.iconico.com/colorpic/index.aspx This color picker might be of some help in getting the Elftown colors.

2005-04-10 [True, plain and simple]: You can also just look at <URL:index.css> for what they are defined as in hexidecimal.

2005-04-10 [Skydancer]: I knew there had to be a simple way.. :) I keep a color picker on my desktop though for sampling things.

2005-04-10 [True, plain and simple]: Well, that stylesheet isn't very clear..I think there are a few things missing. The colour picker is probably better, I have one built into my Firefox browser. :)

2005-04-10 [Blasphemous Rumours]: Thanks everyone. Whoa [True, plain and simple], that's confusing!!!

2005-04-11 [Charybdis]: Kind of ironic, that, isn't it? :p

2005-04-13 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: Hey, thses would prolly go in Miscellanious right? <img:stuff/Dragon_Left.gif> and <img:stuff/Dragon_Right.gif>

2005-04-13 [font]: Yes most likely

2005-04-14 [Dirtydawg]: roar

2005-04-15 [Kiristo]: cool^^

2005-04-15 [Wes Foxx]: Since no one seemed to notice, ill ask again o.o; would the stuff I make in the Avatar Factory be ET Graphics type stuff?

2005-04-15 [font]: You really haven't manipulated the images enough.

2005-04-15 [Cathos]: Is this allowed as fanart? (http://elftown.lysator.liu.se/stuff/theft_dalek_house.jpg) Its all my own work, but daleks are copyrighted to the BBC. I've entered them in the seasonal mainstreet competitions before and they were given the go ahead then.....

2005-04-15 [font]: If you have drawn it then it is allowed.  Just credited the BBC on the page where you store or display the images. 

2005-04-17 [Kiristo]: neat pic.

2005-04-17 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: ^_^

2005-04-17 [Skanksta]: hiya everyone

2005-04-17 [Kiristo]: hello

2005-04-17 [Estantia]: where would these be put? <img:http://elftown.lysator.liu.se/img/drawing/32132_1113762899.jpg> there is a book and a radio too

2005-04-17 [Ghost Lilly]: Probably EG Misc, but Im not sure, thats where I would put it, unless your thinking of it being a mood icon.

2005-04-18 [~Lunacy Fringe~]: yeah tha'd be kool

2005-04-19 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: Yep *Agrees with [Ghost Lilly]* Misc. stuff unless it's a mood Icon, then... well... put it in the mood icons.

2005-04-20 [Insaniac Yoshie]: where do i get banners advertising ET?

2005-04-20 [Charybdis]: Check out Elftown Logos. :)

2005-04-20 [Insaniac Yoshie]: kk tankees!

2005-04-20 [Charybdis]: No problem ^^

2005-04-20 [Sagacious Turkey]: <img:http://elftown.lysator.liu.se/img/photo/122124_1113962031.jpg> put this somewhere...

2005-04-20 [Ironballs "the Preposterous One"]: I was wondering how to get the "straight-to-wiki" image uploading privilege... ^_^

2005-04-20 [Skanksta]: hiya am stuck how do u make stuff like that tele ??

2005-04-20 [The Bad Turkey]: members under the first 20000 that have been good can and patrollers can...

2005-04-20 [Charybdis]: [Ironballs "the Preposterous One"]: If you want wiki-uploading privs, ask a member of the ET crew, explain why you need it, and if you have a clean record they'll probably give it to you. :) // [Skanksta]: What aren't you sure about? The television is a little image that [Estantia] made and uploaded. You could do that too ^^

2005-04-21 [Ironballs "the Preposterous One"]: All right then. Thanks, [Charybdis]. ^^

2005-04-21 [Sunrose]: Elftown Graphics has been closed until further notice: no new art can be added until officials have been able to catch up on badging donators. Sorry for this inconvenience.

2005-04-21 [Skanksta]: :S ohh dear wats wrong wiz this plac ??? 

2005-04-21 [Kaimee]: Nothing, we just need a little time to catch up on awarding badges to all the people who have contributed :) as soon as thats finished this place will be back up and running!

2005-04-21 [Skanksta]: ohhh right lol so wat ya doin ....

2005-04-21 [LAURALOVE.]: hey how do u make the writing on your description centered??? and different fonts and colours?

2005-04-21 [Skanksta]: i dont now trying to find out !!

2005-04-21 [LAURALOVE.]: ok cool

2005-04-21 [Charybdis]: Does this include the special EG artist sections as well? I was just wondering ^^

2005-04-21 [im_a_sexy_frog]: hey

2005-04-21 [irulan]: Yep, it includes all sections. :)

2005-04-22 [Charybdis]: Okay, thanks ^^

2005-04-30 [Rin]: eeeeeeeek! okay...just so I know for when this is back up and running again where wil I put thease: http://elftown.lysator.liu.se/img/drawing/19720_1114834537.jpg and http://elftown.lysator.liu.se/img/drawing/19720_1114833569.jpg...under misc. right?

2005-04-30 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: Errmmm... yep... O.O

2005-04-30 [Charybdis]: Well, you could make a wiki-page to store them in for the moment, instead of having them take up half the comment-box :)

2005-04-30 [Skanksta]: lol thats true

2005-04-30 [Rin]: sorry

2005-05-01 [Charybdis]: O_O It wasn't an accusation, lol. Sorry if it sounded that way ^^;

2005-05-02 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: Sounded like a complaint with a sugested solution. ^_^which is the best way to complain about something... lol

2005-05-02 [44. Caliber Love Letter]: Hey, so does this mean I'll be getting a badge soon?

2005-05-03 [Rin]: oh, okay ^^...but I put them as links anyways.

2005-05-04 [Zab]: just started to wonder...I donated art several month ago...how come I havn´t got any badge?

2005-05-04 [Charybdis]: That's why EG is closed right now.. they're catching up on badging :)

2005-05-06 [Zab]: ok^_^

2005-05-07 [Otaku]: how do u make a wiki banner?

2005-05-07 [pixish]: You can use programs like paint or photoshop :-) And don't put any copyrighted images in it :-P You could also advertise in one of the forums if you think you would like someone else to try and make one :-)

2005-05-07 [Otaku]: but like how do you get it on here

2005-05-09 [pixish]: You will have to wait until Elftown Graphics starts receiving graphic donations again :-)

2005-05-10 [Zab]: to get it to elftown you save it at youre computer and then uppload it from your elftown house. ^_^

2005-05-12 [zeratul199]: random greetings

2005-05-13 [Otaku]: i dont get it

2005-05-13 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: You upload it the same way you uploaded this pic: <img:img/drawing/83365_1115482384.jpg> then you use an image tag <img:img/drawing/83365_1115482384.jpg> (This would be the image tag for that pic) to put it up in wikis or the Discription part of your house.

2005-05-19 [Dushi]: Can someone mail a description about how you upload art, step by step, I don't get all this, you have to explain it to me in babyterms, cause i'm no genius in this sort a stuff

2005-05-19 [Charybdis]: Try CNETG3, it might help :)

2005-05-19 [Zab]: how do you write the tag without getting the image shown?

2005-05-20 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: Insert this somewhere in the tag: !uQt!

2005-05-20 [beautiful _ darkness]: will everyone please go vote for you favs at upon rooftops thanks much

2005-05-20 [Zab]: ooh! Gotta try! <img.having-fun-testing-this> hmm, <b>does it work with these too...</b>

2005-05-20 [Zab]: Yay! Workiness! Thanx!^_^

2005-05-23 [Skanksta]: hiya

2005-05-24 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: No problem, [Zab]!

2005-05-24 [Zab]: thamks again...hows the badgering going, anyone knows?

2005-05-25 [Katie Staines]: Does anyone know when we can start submitting graphics on here again?

2005-05-25 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: I don't know how the badgering is going... seeing as there is alot of it to be done, not only including EG, but also the newly decided front page art contest... and the reagular Featured's of ET's Mainstreet as well.  As far ass when we can start posting things again, it will be announced right here on EG when we can start posting again.

2005-05-25 [Zab]: ok

2005-05-25 [Lady Darkness]: ok is there anyone in here that can help me?

2005-05-25 [Zab]: with what? *ready to help if I can*

2005-05-25 [Lady Darkness]: ok this stuff banners welcome mats etc. i can use right or what? im a blonde and i have no idea what i am doing????!!!!! lol!!

2005-05-25 [Zab]: yes, you may use it inside elftown. but every moving pic , they are only allowed in wikis.^_^

2005-05-25 [Lady Darkness]: ok then thankyou Zab!

2005-05-26 [Ultiem]: I was wondering who will be the one giving out badges to those that have donated to ET graphics? who will check them?

2005-05-26 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: The Council I believe... someone wanna confirm or correct that, please?

2005-05-26 [irulan]: Yes, we have a couple members of the Council who take care of that. :)

2005-05-26 [Ultiem]: doesnt sound like a lot :D one of them report nazis is loose again

2005-05-27 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: Hooha! Whatcha know... I was right. :P lol

2005-05-30 [Skanksta]: hiya

2005-05-31 [SuicidalEternalX]: Does anyone know how much longer it will take for the officials to catch up with the donators' badges? (I'm not trying to sound impatient. Sorry if I do.)

2005-05-31 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: Do us all a favor and read all the previous comments before you post... we've all been waiting and asking... they have alot of badging to catch up with not to mention other duties as well... it will be a while yet.

2005-05-31 [Shade Wolf]: Hello everyone

2005-05-31 [SuicidalEternalX]: I'm sorry Archeress, but perhaps you should live by what it says on your house: If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all?

2005-05-31 [Q_Q]: hey akll quston what is the best program to us for makeing stuuf for et and where can i get it

2005-05-31 [Moorn]: Hello! I'm doing a page similar to this one on www.writersco.com, and I was wondering if I could borrow some of the rules text verbatim?

2005-06-01 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: [SuicidalEternalX]>> I didn't say anything out of line. "Do us all a favor and read all the previous comments before you post..." Gave you some advise to read the previous discussion to see if perhaps your question had already been answered. "we've all been waiting and asking... " Stated that we all feel the same way you do about EG being down. "they have alot of badging to catch up with not to mention other duties as well... " Just a little addded info to help you understand why it's down and for so long. "it will be a while yet." answered your question anyways as best as pretty much anyone can. ([Q_Q] >> best program in my opinion is Photoshop... although not sure where to get it.)

2005-06-01 [Charybdis]: Ebay is a likely candidate, or a course that lets you have an ille- ah, a free copy ^^; I love Photoshop, personally, although my opinion may be biased because I haven't really tried any other programs besides Corel PhotoHouse, which really stinks :p

2005-06-01 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: I've also tried Xara and that stinks too.

2005-06-01 [Charybdis]: So looks like we're better off saying what the best programs aren't :D

2005-06-01 [Archeress of Mirkwood]: I use Photoshop myself... I liked it better than Xara. Although Xara has one feature that I liked that PS doesn't have... stylized (sp?) lines/circles.

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